Goo was attacked yesterday

[gooeydog]

by the neighbor's lab. She was <cough> "taking care of things" at the end of her 6 ft lead in our yard when the dog (his name is "buddy", yeah right :roll: ) came flying out from behind a truck parked in "his" yard, screaming and barking, ran right up and bit her on the nose. As soon as he came out from behind the truck, I took up all of Goo's leash (a bit hard to do when she wasn't even done yet :o ), and pulled her back behind me, but not fast enough :-? . She was between my knees, trying to get him, and I was sliding all over in the mud trying to move her back out of his reach, but he kept coming back at us, barking and trying to bite her face. She ended up grabbing him at one point, and he yelped and backed off, then one of the neighbor's friends came running over with their other dog (who's human AND dog aggressive) in tow, and she almost ran up to us, too. He asked what had happened, and I told him, then he dragged the dogs up onto their owners' porch, where they came out, and talked amongst each other while occasionally peeking over at us.

Goo's ok, she has a little cut on her nose, actually between her nose and lip, but nothing else. I haven't walked her into the backyard again yet, think I'm going to give her a few days to cool off. She's been marking everything she can reach in the yard when I take her out to pee, even lifted her leg on the mailbox :o . What got me is that an hour after his dog had ran into our yard and got into a fight, I walked out onto the deck, and there he was again, wandering around in the backyard. :x

[Rosebud]

:D

I hate to hear about that, maybe you should tell him about how liable he is if his dog bites someone. How he could lose his home-owners insurance, etc, etc, etc.

Hope Gooey is o.k.

:angel:

[Sanvean]

That's awful! How irresponsible! :x

[Angelboddy]

I hope Goo will be o.k.
Give her a great big hug and kiss for me. :D

Bad, LAB, Bad!!!!! :evil:

[behle]

Poor Goo! :o Good for you for taking quick action to save a bad situation from getting worse.

Obviously Buddy's humans don't run things, Buddy does! Or he would not be back out hanging around after just attacking the neighbor's leashed dog! Geeze! Some owners don't have a clue!

Give Goo a big hug from me, Ben, & Max! Hope she is okay and not stressed out by the attack.

[Malamum]

:x :x :x Oh how frustrating and annoying to have neighours like that. I am glad Goo is okay.

[courtnek]

couple of things

did he attack Goo on your property, or his, or neutral?
were the owners anywhere where they could have restrained him?
Is he mormally left outside to wander alone without supervision?

You have a real case for the animal control department, especially if it was on your property. Goo was on a leash, are there leash laws?

You can file a complaint and make the owner pay for any damages his dog
did to Goo, including vet bills. Plus, animal control may fine them for leaving a dangerous dog unrestrained.

Glad Goo is ok - some people are just useless....

:evil:

[gooeydog]

To give a little more info on the owners... the guy thinks he can do whatever he wants, and that his "rights" or wants come before everyone elses. They (he and his wife, who's actually a fairly nice person) started with one dog, a Sharpei, and their daughter gave them the lab about 2 yrs ago. This isn't the first time that we've had problems with their dogs... and it's the second time Goo has grabbed one of them and hurt them. The first time, the pei came running up to me, growling, and I'm pretty sure was planning on biting me, when Goo turned around (again, she was on-leash, and in our yard) and grabbed her. I had them broken up within 30 seconds, but the pei came back at us, just as the owner ran up with a large pipe, yelling "get back, I'll beat them apart" :o . I managed to keep them apart, but if he would've even tried to hit Goo with anything, he would've had much bigger problems than he did with the two dogs fighting :x . He quickly collected his dog and took her back over to the house, not even a sorry, or a quick "is your dog ok?". After I had taken Goo up to the house, I came back down and asked him if his dog was ok, because she had seemed to be limping when she had went over, and repeated (I'd already told him this numerous times, but felt I should do it again) that Goo doesn't like other dogs, and he should keep his in his own yard, before she either hurt someone or got hurt herself. He said to me "well, maybe she's learned a lesson and will stay in the yard now". Less than a week later, the dog was back to wandering around. The only reason the dogs haven't gotten ran over or bitten someone (yet) is because their house is at the end of our "driveway" (which is actually owned by the county, but they do no upkeep, and it's just a dead end, gravel covered path that runs between 5 or 6 properties) and is among those farthest from the road.

When he first moved in, he told us that we better keep our cat in the house (yes, I know, cats shouldn't be allowed outside anyway, but he's been an inside/outside cat for 12 yrs, and my parents aren't about to change things), because his dog (the pei) kills cats. Since then, the dog has killed at least two cats (possibly more strays), one of the neighbors', and a stray that we'd taken in (this was what caused Goo to go through my window). They've also killed numerous ducks and other native wildfowl, we used to have a flock of nearly 50 ducks that hung around our "area" (the 3 houses, including ours that border the water), all have left since he moved in with his dogs. I realize that this is what dogs do if allowed to, but the point is that his dogs should never have had the chance to come into our yard and wipe out entire nests of ducklings, or snatch ducks as my grandmother was trying to feed them. We (and our neighbors) have called AC numerous times about the dogs, we've basically been told that they won't do anything unless the dogs bite someone.

He also shot an iguana that we had (he was a rescue, and got loose from an outdoor enclosure during spring, we spent weeks trying to find him, and once we had, trying to catch him) when it climbed one of our trees that borders our yard. We'd told him that if he saw it, to come and get us, that we'd been trying to catch it... but nooo... he saw it in the tree, let his dog bark at it for a while, then went into the house, got a rifle, walked right up to it, and shot it. My aunt and her BF (both police officers) heard th gunshot, went out to see what happened, and saw him take the body down and chuck it overboard (my grandmother had also seen him looking up into the tree, then go into the house, come back out, and shoot something, then carry it down to the water). A few minutes later, my mom confronted him, and after getting nowhere with him (he basically told her he did it because "he could"), she went up to call the police. My cousin stood on my grandparents' porch and watched him get in his boat, drive out to the body and scoop it, up, then drive out of the cove, and dump it over again. When the police arrived, he told them he was afraid it was going to hurt one of his dogs (yet, he was unafraid enough to let his dogs bark at it for 10 minutes before he finally killed it, and to walk within feet of it to do so), and that he had only shot it with a pellet gun (which was a lie, my cousin went out and checked, and said there was no way that much damage was caused by ANY pellet gun). The police told us there was nothing they could do, and left.

We sort of have our hands tied, because we have more dogs than is considered legal in our house most of the time (and he knows it), and I don't want him to be making noise about how Goo hurt his dogs (my younger cousin (14yrs old) was with us this time, and can confirm what happened, but no one saw what happened the first time, so I worry he might try and say Goo attacked his dog outright) and starting a bunch of trouble with the neighbors. I also don't really want him getting too pi**ed off at us, because I worry a bit that he may one day decide one of our dogs is a "danger" to him or his dogs, and haul off and shoot them. My parents aren't really eager to wade into a "neighbor war" either, so I doubt they'd agree with that.

What gets to me about all this is that he KNOWS that Goo doesn't like other dogs, yet he doesn't even make an effort to keep his dogs under control when we go into the backyard. We have a few neighbors who like to let their dogs loose in the yard with them while they're out there, but most of them will grab the dogs if I walk past with Goo, or at least if I ask them to, and none of their dogs have ever ran over and picked a fight with her or tried to bite one of us. He HAS part of his yard fenced, and has a HUGE deck around his house, but he'll just open the gates and let them run. Goo's fine, the mark she had is nearly invisible today, but she was definitely watching down towards where the dogs are when I took her out to play on the deck earlier.

[gooeydog]

Also wanted to add that I'm not going to go on being as "nice" about this junk as before... I dug out one of those little airhorns from our boat, and have filled up a squirt bottle with water/vinegar, also going to make a shake can to toss at them, so we're going to see which is most effective (as in: best at scaring them off, easiest to use with one hand or less, and least scary to Goo). If none of them work, then I guess I'll have to turn to even less "nice" options...

[Rosebud]

:-?

I might get chastised for saying this, but I think that if that was my situation then I might have to shoot his dog the next time it comes after mine, especially if it's on my property, and guess what when the cops arrive, I will just politely say the dog tried to bite me, but I would deny saying "because I could" to the dogs owner.

:angel:

[ayb2101]

Rosebud,
Don't shoot anything!!!

AS A LAST RESORT:

Before yelling at me, keep in mind that this has NO PERMANANT EFFECTS!

A directional high-power ultrasound gun might be pretty effective for this kind of thing. What it does is set up resonating vibrations in the ear. There is no permanant damage, but it is EXTREMELY unpleasant. It works on most animals(including people and dogs).

Its a bit like pressure points(although is more powerful). The sound waves trigger sensitive nerves causing temporary pain, nausea, and other unpleasant things. It also interferes with balance, and can cause vomiting and maybe diarreah.

In short it gives a worse-than-migraine headache.

Most of the tests I've read about have been on people. Its probably about the same for dogs.

You would have to be careful to avoid you or your dog getting some of the effect! The gun would also have to be tuned.

But if it works, it would be a very effective deterrant.

Heh or you could just use it on the owner :wink: (just kidding. Don't!)

[Malamum]

That sounds pretty full on. Where would the average person get one from (not that I want or have any need for one - I'm just curious)?

[bk_blue]

What a crap neighbour to have. :evilbat: I'm glad Goo is all right though! :angel:

[rufus]

What a lousy dog owner :(

Where I live, there are a couple of dogs that are not too 'friendly' but their owners have the common sense to muzzle them.

[Carolk9s]

Glad to hear Goo is ok. Damn shame you have to be on guard in your own yard against fool pool neighbors dog. Any chance you can put a fence up around at least part of the yard? Perhaps a nice electric one? If you take Goo out on leash anyway, just a simple pvc one or two bar type fence with a hot wire at the labs nose level. May sound harsh but if the lab has any sense at all, one 'bite' ought to convince him.

[Guest Anonymous]

Sorry to hear about Goo getting bit :x I think I would report too. It's not like you had a pack of dogs out there at the time. Poor Goo was just trying to do his thang :wink: Yeah, I would report the jerk! It's not the dog's fault.

[Daisysmom]

That was me. Oops!

[DogPaddle]

Gee that's not likely to improve Goo's affection for other dogs. Glad to hear there were no serious injuries. Just a word of advice - you may want to report the incident (and any others) just to cover your but. You own the "dangerous breed" and if the situation ever gets really out of control and a dog gets seriously injured people (including possibly your local spca) may automatically assume Goo is the problem. At the very least see if there is a reliable third party group you can document the event(s) with.

[Rosebud]

ayb2101 napisał(a):

Rosebud, Don't shoot anything!!!
AS A LAST RESORT:
Before yelling at me, keep in mind that this has NO PERMANANT EFFECTS!
A directional high-power ultrasound gun might be pretty effective for this kind of thing. What it does is set up resonating vibrations in the ear. There is no permanant damage, but it is EXTREMELY unpleasant. It works on most animals(including people and dogs).
Its a bit like pressure points(although is more powerful). The sound waves trigger sensitive nerves causing temporary pain, nausea, and other unpleasant things. It also interferes with balance, and can cause vomiting and maybe diarreah.
In short it gives a worse-than-migraine headache.
Most of the tests I've read about have been on people. Its probably about the same for dogs.
You would have to be careful to avoid you or your dog getting some of the effect! The gun would also have to be tuned.
But if it works, it would be a very effective deterrant.
Heh or you could just use it on the owner :wink: (just kidding. Don't!)

ayb - don't worry, I don't know how to shoot a gun, I just got really, really mad reading about Goo's problem, I don't know what I would really do under that kind of situation, I don't want any babies to go to a shelter and be put down, I would not be able to bring myself to cause harm to any babies nor would I be able to live with myself if I did (I cried when I hit an animal with my car) I would also be scared that if I approached it from a legal standpoint that the guy would retailiate and I would be forever watching behind my back.

Goo - maybe you should install a security camera on the area where all this happens and keep ALL of the tapes where his dog is in your property and attacking your dog, that way if he does ever try to have Goo put down, you have proof that it is his dog that causes the problems, not yours.

:angel:

[gooeydog]

Thanks everyone. I'm going to have to do some more thinking, and check with my dad again about building a bigger fence (we do have part of the yard fenced, but it's only a small part off to the side).

[Sanvean]

Maybe you could inform them that due to your concerns, you'll be putting a security camera up in your back yard (even if it's not true!)

[ayb2101]

Malamum,
the ultrasound gun is from here:

Experimental device intended for animal control, routing out rodents, predators from bird feeders, control of unruly dogs, cats even people!! Unit is fully adjustable for maximizing effect on target subjects.

The third item down: http://www.amazing1.com/ultra.htm

I'm not sure how well that one works. (The descriptions on that site tends to be WAY overrated to say the least...)

There are also some more powerful ones I've read about on other sites. They are for crowd control and are pretty effective. The police in some places are considering using them.

[meehs]

How about pepper spray? You know, the stuff you can buy for slef-defense? I bet a healthy dose of that stuff in your neighbor's dog's face would be effective. Just be careful where you point it because it's POTENT stuff!

What sucks is that the dog isn't really at fault. It's just poorly trained and it's owner is an idiot! What REALLY sucks is that if the police are ever brought into it, they might be more inclined to blame gooey just because he's a APBT. I worry about that possibility with my own bullys!

Now with all of that in mind, maybe a healthy dose of pepper spray in your neighbor's face would do the trick! :lol:

[courtnek]

Pepper spray is actually an excellent idea. It wont hurt the dog at all, but it burns and it will definitely make the dog stop attacking. All of the mailmen here carry it for protectin against dogs.

Check with your local police and make sure it's legal where you are.
I agree it's not the dogs fault, but the dog needs to learn that he cant
just attack anything he wants. Pepper Spray may be the way to go.
I would not use vinegar - it could damage his eyesight, which would make you liable.

[Guest Anonymous]

Gooey so sorry to hear :cry:

while I walking down the street with my dog (on a leash)(of course).

I had a woman sick here dog on me and my chow/german shepard mix.
though he gets along well with peeps and dogs i have trained him to attack on comand and he will and he did. Poor dog didn't know what he was getting into.

I just don't get why peeps are so ignorant i mean is it really possible for someone to not have any sense at all. Are they not intelligent enough to comprehind what might or could happen with the dog. But then I think there are peeps that let the children run in the street and do what they want to so I guess it is possible.

Maybe if these ppl are mature enough u could talk to them about responsible ownership. U know so u don't end up calling animal control. :wink: