Guest Anonymous Posted May 28, 2003 Posted May 28, 2003 My Boys(Rednose Pits): Hollywood & Hercules have just turned one year old on Easter. They are still testicle intact and still enjoy the leash free park. They have been either attacked or humped by others dogs occassionally and still DO NOT respond to any other dog's agressive behavior or dominance. All they want to do is have fun. They will even be subservient to very small dogs there. In fact last week someone had an agressive Pit in the park when we arrived and was attacking other dogs. Several of us asked him to remove his dog. Several people later commented on how well behaved my 2 Boys are. They stated that it's the way they get trained that makes them or any canine a good dog. Just thought I would return after being away for a long time to give the statis of my Boys. See you around. -Hollywood Quote
Rowie-the-Pooh Posted May 28, 2003 Posted May 28, 2003 Welcome Back HollyWood! :D I'm glad to hear your boys are doing so well! :wink: to them!! Do you have any recent pics of them? :D Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted May 28, 2003 Posted May 28, 2003 I also occasionally take my boy to the dog run but you are getting close to the magic age. dont be surprised if one day your boys dont get along so well or you have to say good bye to the leasyh free park. And whatever you do dont fight it! If your like me you enjoy the dog park as much as your dogs if not more so, however due to the dogs breed and instincts you may not always be able to take them there. The guy with the mean pitbull probably trained his dog just like you did, took time to socialize him and loved him just as you did. But do to the dogs bred in nature one day he "turned on", most pit bulls do at some time I have seen it happen from a few weeks to as late as 3 years of age. and when it happens you will be beating yourself up wondering where you went wrong and if there was more you caould have done. the answer is you did nothing wrong and there is nothing you can do to stop the change. Its what mature pit bulls do. No amount of training, socialization, or correction will stop your dog from getting dominant. you just have to know what to look for and be ready to make the change in the dogs lifestyle to accomidate the new personality trait. It is good to see you again and gla to hear the boys are doing well. Long time no post. :black: Quote
Angelboddy Posted May 28, 2003 Posted May 28, 2003 We don't have any pet parks here in missouri. At lease where i live we don't. I wish we did. My baby-dog would love to play with other dog. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted May 28, 2003 Posted May 28, 2003 They are so muh fun, most people ther are as nuts about their dogs as i am about mine so i dont seem quite so weird when im with like-minded people. Plus the dogs are generally well behaved there can be squabbles ever now and then but they are usally short and the dogs get it sorted out with out the use of force or teeth. But that is where the APBT steps out they are a no non-sense breed and can be VERY headstrong. But that is just the general rule there are some dogs that never do turn on and neve rhave a problem with other dogs, i personally do not assume my dog is in that catagory, and wouldnt want to put him in the situation to show me, so once he turns one(or if he shows A N Y aggression prior) we are done with the dog park. Quote
Angelboddy Posted May 28, 2003 Posted May 28, 2003 I wonder if i could look in on starting some kind of dog park here? :-? The only problem is I don't know where to start. :( Quote
gooeydog Posted May 28, 2003 Posted May 28, 2003 I've said before that it's great that your dogs are still not dog aggressive, but they're only babies, sheesh, at 14 months old, they're just becoming adolescents. This is the time when they might start to realize that they are pit bulls, and that they actually enjoy going at it with another dog, maybe even their own brother :roll: . Lots of pit bulls like to "have fun" with other dogs, but at some point, their definition of "fun" may change drastically, and by the time you realize it, you'll be scraping up pieces of their "play buddy" and explaining to their owner that your stubborness caused their dog's death. NO amount of training will change what's been bred into a dog for generations. Quote
ellieangel Posted May 28, 2003 Posted May 28, 2003 It's great that your boys are so well behaved but I think what everyone is saying is just be aware ! Quote
mouseatthebusstop Posted May 29, 2003 Posted May 29, 2003 NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN :) YOU SHOLD BE PROUD OF YOUR BOYS :) KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted June 3, 2003 Posted June 3, 2003 So what some of you are saying is that every single Pitbull out there will eventually turn into an aggressive animal. There is no way in hell that anyone could ever expect their AmStaff to be a properly behaved dog. So these dogs called American Pitbull Terriers are pre-genetically disposed to dog fighting and there is absolutely no Owners out there with a well behaved APBT. It's as though these loving companions are savage animals taken from the wild forests of a foreign country by mankind to domesticate, but these Pits can never ever be truly domesticated. That's a real shame that these affectionate dogs are looked down on by most people in general, but what is worst is there are dog owners, even APBT/AMSTAFF owners who think just the same. What a crime. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted June 3, 2003 Posted June 3, 2003 Hollywood-the crime is that there are owners of dogs that do not take into accoun the inherent nature of their dogs. people buy herding breeds and then punish thier dogs for being too energetic or barking all the time. its not the dogs fault it was bred to be that way. its the owners responsibility to take all factors into consideration before selecting a breed to own. If you like the dog park that mush you should not have selected the APBT as your breed of choice. READ ANY BOOK-- and you will see that the name APBT doesnt appear without its dog-aggressive predisposition being mentioned. Its not a fault and that doesnt make them a monster, they are a very strong willed, no nonsense breed of dog. the sooner you realize this the better, your dogs may go years without a single instance of aggression and then one day, BOOM! They will want to fight every dog they see, its o different than a retriever that fetches a stick without ever being taught what to do, or a pointerpuppy that hits the perfect stance when it sees a bird. its the drive in them. Look at your boys--they are gladiators, the body is lean and strong, the head wide and heavily muscled, these dogs are made for fighting. Now i am not saying that every single pit bull ever has fought, but i will say that it is extremely uncommon for a mature pit bull to not be dog aggressive to some degree. Some are fine as long as they are with dogs of the opposite sex, some are fine with submissive dogs, and there are even a few that are submissive themslelves. But you dont know where yours fall in at, they are just babies. Is it better to assume that they will be okay or is it better to take the proper precautions just to be safe? I know people who had same sex APBTs from birth and they were best friends, then one day they come home from work and there is blood all over the house and both dogs are near death. We are not telling you to change anything about your schedule, we are PLEADING with you to be careful, please dont assume when your dogs could be at stake. No matter what happens, which dog starts it or how many dogs there were involved, if ther is an incident the pit bull is going to get the blame. and more often than not they seek to have your dog put to sleep. I can tell from your posts that you love your boys very much, and i know you want to do what you think is right, but the odds of your dogs turning on are a lot better than the ones of them not. If your like me though just hearing this here wont be enough you will want to see for yourself. I respect that so take a look at a few books about APBT specifically and see what they tell you. Check out a few websites and see the common knowledge about the breed before its too late. Be safe and give the boys tons of kisses :black: Quote
Horsefeathers! Posted June 4, 2003 Posted June 4, 2003 Just a FYI, for what it's worth (or not). My Pit bitch, hand raised from 4-5 weeks old, socialized, raised with a houseful of other dogs and spayed, was over 2 years old when she "turned." Quote
gooeydog Posted June 4, 2003 Posted June 4, 2003 Hollywood napisał(a):So what some of you are saying is that every single Pitbull out there will eventually turn into an aggressive animal. If by "aggressive animal", you mean a dog that can't go to an off-leash park with a dozen or so other dogs running around them, some of them either attacking or humping said dog, then absolutely; I'd bet that there are far more pit bulls that are (or turn into) "aggressive animals" than there are that are not. There is no way in h*** that anyone could ever expect their AmStaff to be a properly behaved dog. Never said that. An AmStaff isn't the same as an APBT anyway, but there are thousands of titled, well behaved dog pit bulls that are also dog aggressive, to varying degrees. I've also gotten comments as to how well behaved my dog is. A dog can be trained to control it's natural urges, sure, it does take a lot more work than just having a dog without those urges (in the APBT's case, the urge to fight), but the results are often even more rewarding. Of course, I don't consider running around peacefully with other dogs to be a sign of being "well behaved", so maybe my answer isn't what you were looking for. So these dogs called American Pitbull Terriers are pre-genetically disposed to dog fighting Yes, they are genetically predisposed to fight with other dogs/animals. and there is absolutely no Owners out there with a well behaved APBT. Wrong. But those owners out there with their "not-well-behaved" (otherwise known as dog aggressive) APBTs cause a lot less trouble for the breed than those out there who choose to IGNORE their chosen breed's natural temperament characteristics. It's as though these loving companions are savage animals taken from the wild forests of a foreign country by mankind to domesticate, but these Pits can never ever be truly domesticated. More that man has screwed around with them so much that they've created a "freak" of the dog world.... they don't "pack" well with other dogs, but they will bond much more closely to humans than many other breeds. That's a real shame that these affectionate dogs are looked down on by most people in general, but what is worst is there are dog owners, even APBT/AMSTAFF owners who think just the same. I would NEVER look down on this breed, but I do understand that by selective breeding, they have been made to have certain traits that others may find undesireable. It could be though that I don't feel dog aggression is a big problem, in exchange for all the wonderful things the breed has to offer. What a crime. The real crime lies in people who are pushing the bull breeds closer to extinction by refusing to admit/believe the breeds' natural tendencies. Quote
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