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[alicat613]

Oh they are soo beautiful!! They look well behaved too.

Sorry about your dog park experience. We have many dog parks here but the major ones have too many rough dogs. And we've found that many of them have a big issue with intimidating dogs (no not mine). We don't go because Parker gets just knocked and slammed into and puppy bones are not invincible! Anyways, we went and got a book, in the local travel section at Barnes & Noble, about dog parks and activities in our area. It has helped us find smaller parks with off leash areas, one with a beautiful beach and only one or two other dogs if any.

[behle]

Aw-w-w.... What beautiful boys!

How is Hercules doing? Hopefully it was a little nip that didn't break the skin. You're right! Owners of dog agressive dogs should have their dogs under control or exercise them somewhere else. Sadly, many don't, so it seems to be up to the conscientious owner to watch out for the other dogs. Like driving defensively during bad weather - the accident usually comes at you from the other driver!

Love your dogs!

[sixjollydogs]

I love your dogs...so cute. NOW...has anyone spoken to the owner of the aggresive dog? I can see a tragedy here for all including the dog.

Please speak up....perhaps if several of you did this in a caring and nonconfrontational way...it would work.

[Carolk9s]

Hope this experience did not leave a lasting impression on Hercules skin or mind!
I have to speak up tho about the 'agggressive' dog issue. I think if the dog that nipped Hercules was truly aggressive, it would not have been a nip. Not excusing that dog, even a nip can lead to a serious fight amongst some dogs. My dogs have been nipped and have nipped at the park. Sometimes the excitement level gets so high as dogs are running about, chasing balls, chasing other dogs, nips happen. I do hope the owner of the dog who nipped Hercules saw it and moved right in to calm his/her dog down.
When a very large # of dogs are all loose together and a hot chase breaks out, it is almost inevitable that someone is going to either get nipped or bowled over by other dogs.
Sometimes one dog seems to be chosen as the designated chasee, this can vary but a young male dog that is not terribly assertive is often the choice. I've seen it time and time again, my girls will join in the chase and do their share of intimidating a dog once he's down. I DO NOT LIKE THIS even tho many up there will 'he's ok, don't worry'. I DO worry and move in to get my girls back to me so the downed dog can get up. I don't want the excitement and emotion to escalate to where a dog is actually hurt. Chances are, once the dog is no longer surrounded, he will take off running again and the chase resumes. I will put my girls on leash if need be to prevent them from being too obnoxious.

[Guest Anonymous]

Very beautiful!

[Carolk9s]

BTW, that is a lovely photo of your dogs!

[Guest Anonymous]

They are both nice looking, but i ave to lean a little more toward hercules, sorry hollywood.
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[bk_blue]

Both of them are very cute. Hollywood almost looks like a Lab mix, I think only because he's mainly chocolate. I have never seen a pic of a pit with that colouring (we don't have pits here so have not much idea what colours are the go apart from what I've seen on dogo)... I like it! :D

[gooeydog]

[quote name='hollywood_hulkhogan'] My two Pits are never aggressive and they are still intact with their testes.
Your two pits are not aggressive yet... it's naive to think that they will never be aggressive, especially if you're still planning on leaving them intact. Pit bulls, as a breed, are generally at least somewhat dog aggressive, and male dogs with their hormones still running amuck ( :lol: ) are often aggressive towards other dogs at times. That combination alone is asking for trouble, and taking the pair to a dog park full of other off leash, potentially aggressive, or dominant dogs is tempting fate. Sure, there's a tiny chance that they'll play happily all their lives, but there's a much better chance that they'll eventually get into a squabble, and true to their breed, will finish the fight. Then the media will have another sensational story; you'll have a large fine, two dead dogs, or both; and responsible pit bull owners will once again be struggling to keep BSL from being placed in their areas because of one person's irresponsible actions.

[gooeydog]

I do agree with the others though... beautiful dogs :lol:

[Guest Anonymous]

ONCE again Real good point Goo. YOur on fire today!! :bigok:

Most dogs turn on between the ages of 1 and 2 but i have seen some as late as 3 or 4. depending on when they mature and decide that tat should be higher in the pack. BE CAUTIOUS, you know your dogs better than anyone so watch for it, it is usually a subtle change you will more likely see that your dog turns to face-off when he would nomally run and play, when that starts happening stop going to the dog park, find a nice fenced ins secluded spot for just you and your dogs. for me i use the softball field, its all fenced in and the fences are real high.

[Carolk9s]

There is a Staffy or pit mix female that is brought to the park I take mine to. The man who owns her said she is a Staffy, then said he adopted her from the SPCA so she might be a mix. The first time she and my dogs met, she and Candy did quite a bit of run and bump with just a few minor grumbles.
I was there this past weekend with my dogs, the other dog was too. There were a couple of Schnauzers there, twice the bully girl went after one of them with much flashing of teeth and snarls but did no harm. I asked the guy how old his girl is, just about 2. While not wanting to be biased against this bully girl, I will be watching her closely for any more sharp behaviour, my dogs are not angels either and I know if she snaps, especially at Candy, there WILL be a fight. Jesse would just think she is cute, Brittany might look horrified but Candy will drop the gloves and wade right in.

[Queen Bitch]

Ohhhhhhhhhhh very pretty pooches. Herc looks like he'd make a good "boyfriend" for Felony, huh Sasha?

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[Guest Anonymous]

Who responded negatively? I must have missed that post. You are being given sound advice by people who have and love bully breeds.
As hard as it is to fathom right now, your dogs will change. Its not that your a bad owner or anything its the breed. They are dog aggressive there is nothing to do to stop it, to ignore that fact is to put your dogs in a position to be euthanized, or taken away. NOONE is attacking you in the least, hell I for one LOVE APBTs. My favorite breed of dog, all the controversey around them it pretty irritating but they are the perfect dog(for me).

You can do as you want we are hundreds of miles apart all we can do is guide and suggest what you do with the advise is up to you, but this is definatley one of the subjects that you would like to get an "I told you so" about. Think about it :black:

[Carolk9s]

NO ONE MADE NEGATIVE COMMENTS ABOUT YOUR PITS! Take a step back and reread any post you found 'negative' with an open mind, take it in spirit it was intended which would simply be to educate you and give you forewarning.
Have you heard the saying, 'forewarned is forearmed'?
In other words, when you KNOW what signals, actions, attributes to be on the lookout for, you will be far better prepared to deal with any potential problems that may arise.
Pits are not spaniels or setters or hounds. Pits are wonderful dogs but as the owner of two, YOU must be fully aware of their patterns, their mindsets, their thought processes, their 'hot' spots etc. What might trigger a response?
You have been given some advice and some warning info, you would be very wise indeed to take it to heart.

[gooeydog]

[quote name='hollywood_hulkhogan']Thanks to those with the positive responses. I find it uncalled for to make any negative statements about my Pits, who totally responded well to a potential problem in a socializing evironment. But then again this breed of dog will unfortunately always be labelled killer dogs. Sad, so very sad.
I made no "negative statements" towards your dogs, but rather stated proven facts about the "pit bull" breed (and unaltered dogs, if that's what you're referring to) in general. Your dogs may come running to you for help now, but as they grow older and gain more confidence, they'll likely decide that they can handle things on their own. Socialization can only "work with" what is already in place from genetics... dog aggression is one of those things that is either "fixed", or not "fixed" into the dogs' genetic make-up. In the case of most pit bulls, it is there. There is nothing you can do about it but accept it and work to control it by training/socialization. As Rott 'N' Pit said, dog aggression usually doesn't start to show until 1-3 yrs, though some "turn on" later, some earlier. Your dogs are just babies, nowhere near mature, and they're still testing things out, trying to figure out how the world works. It is naive to believe that they will act the same way as adults as they do now, as adolescents. They're your dogs though, so what you like with them... maybe the odds were in your favor and you did get two completely cold dogs, better hope, anyway. And there is a reason this breed is/always will be labeled a killer... because many pit bull owners are, and will remain ignorant (not an insult, and also not directed at anyone in particular) or continue to deny the inherent traits of the breed, and place them in situations that allow them to act upon those instincts.

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[Guest Anonymous]

Dog crap huh! It's how you raise them. Yeah right! My pitbull is 10 months old, I have had her around all kinds of dogs since she was very little. She is one of the most dog aggressive dogs I know. I love her to pieces. I have never hit her. Since she was 4-5 months old she has been dog aggressive. But only to dogs that are bigger to her. I believe it is in the genes, and has nothing to do with the way they are raised.

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If it doesnt happen thats fine, and heck I will be happy for you. BUt to just expect that it wont and to not be ready "in case" is stupid. NOt saying that you are stupid, the idea is. Now what i am saying to you is this The AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER is bred to be a FIGHTER, the dog was designed for that sport it is what they do, and they genuinly LOVE to do this. A WELL BRED dog is going to harbor dog-aggressions because obviously THEY WERE BRED TO. No matter how you raise a dog if its going to turn on, its going to happen but how you train and raise your dog will determine how tey behave with these instincts. The fact that you get so offended is good because you love your dogs, but dont let that love prevent you from doing something as simple as just watching your dogs closer as they age, I dont know if you know it or not but if your dogs do decide to fight, it wont be a quick squabble like most breeds, it will be an all out attempt to kill that other dog, you will have to physically remove the dogs from each other wich regularly requires prying the jaws apart to get themn to release. Now if that offends you, I dont know if you should own an APBT. That should be the type of information you get when you pick up a puppy, for anyone with APBT experience its a given, we know and accept this fact, I have given up dog runs and the thoughts of my dog romping with other off lead long ago. It is more likely that your friends dogs were exceptions NOT THE RULE. I actually know very few APBTs that tolerate dogs they grow up with less known strange dogs at a park. Not saying they are lunging monsters but you NEVER, Ever, EVER, TRUST A PIT BULLL NOT TO FIGHT.... EVER.

You take that as negative if you want to just heed the advise and watch your dogs, it will save you the heartache and the bills that are associated to a attack on someone elses dog.
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Did he/she leave cuz everyone said the truth? I hate it when people do that... I sure hope his/her dogs do not end up getting in some SERIOUS trouble...

[bk_blue]

Now I think this has been said before. Why do APBTs of today who are not being fought :x need to have that dog aggression? I know it is a breed trait... but...what place does it have now, when most Pits are not fought in the pit? I guess that for me, one of the best things to do with BK is to see him interact with other dogs in a friendly manner, playing, chasing and doing all that doggy stuff, and being 99% sure that he's not going to turn and bite someone's dog.
So I am wondering- all you Pit owners, what is it that attracts you to the breed? Do you think the dog aggression still has a purpose today? I am keen to hear your thoughts. :D

[Guest Anonymous]

[quote name='K']HMMM now it says my post IS page 3... :roll:

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And I thought I was the one looped today!

[gooeydog]

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So I am wondering- all you Pit owners, what is it that attracts you to the breed? Do you think the dog aggression still has a purpose today? I am keen to hear your thoughts. :D

The dog aggression serves no purpose at all, but like Sasha said, it's hard to breed away from one "undesireable" trait, while keeping all the others as they are. There's also the issue that culling dog aggressive dogs from the breeding program would lessen the number of quality breeding dogs out there... not something any breeder/breed fancier particularly likes. Also, where do you draw the limit? What exactly qualifies as dog aggression? Is it a dog who simply won't back from any dog down if challenged and won't stop once "turned on"? A dog that screams everytime it sees another dog because it wants to fight so bad, but gets along with it's housemates? One that waits patiently and quietly for any dog to get close enough so it can grab it? How about one who ignores small dogs (maybe even plays with them) but doesn't tolerate dogs of their size or larger? There are so many different levels of dog aggression, to what limit should it be tolerated? And what if you have a dog that's a national/international champion in conformation, has multiple obedience and weight pull titles, has passed all temperment tests, health certs, etc; but is dog aggressive? Do you pull it out of the breeding program because it's dog aggressive, or do you breed it because it's such a great physical/mental representative of the breed? At what point is dog aggression outweighed by a dog's accomplishments (or do the accomplishments matter at all if the dog is dog aggressive?)? There are so many questions that can have so many answers, depending on who you ask, it's hard to determine how to go about breeding away from dog aggression, or even if it should be done. I'm on the fence on this issue, as I can't even give a definite answer to some of those questions :roll: :oops: