yellowlabsrule Posted February 3, 2003 Posted February 3, 2003 I know I've said this before, but we're probably going to see this dog, maybe today! :D 403849- Dog:Lab/Border Collie Springfield,OR 541-746-8225 Mike Cummings mgc969@hotmail.com 02-01-2003 Name: Daisy Age:3 Sex:F Size:M My name is Daisy. I am 3 years old, weigh about 20 lbs, I am solid black, with short hair and a tail that curls up. My owner thinks its cute! I love kids and other animals to play with. I am house trained and usually sleep inside at night. I love to go for car rides. My owners had to move and can no longer keep me. I am looking for a new permanent home. Quote
Queen Bitch Posted February 3, 2003 Posted February 3, 2003 But but but, she's not a Dal. *pitiful whine* (ok ok ok she sounds cute) Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted February 3, 2003 Posted February 3, 2003 Ummm.. HELLO?????? We need pictures! Quote
yellowlabsrule Posted February 3, 2003 Author Posted February 3, 2003 I KNOW, but there isn't any pics! :cry: Quote
DogPaddle Posted February 3, 2003 Posted February 3, 2003 20lbs! 3yrs old! That can't be right for a lab/bc cross. Aren't labs around 60lbs and bcs around 45lbs at full growth? 3 months maybe? Quote
yellowlabsrule Posted February 3, 2003 Author Posted February 3, 2003 I was wondering about that myself, but I think it is 3yrs...? not sure about that. The person hasn't emailed or called me back! :x And we're going up that way today! The reason we're going up is.... My first nephew is being born! :D :D :D I have 3 nieces, but now a nephew! :D Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted February 3, 2003 Posted February 3, 2003 Congrats on your nephew!!!!! I was at PetCo yesterday and one of the shetlers were there for adoption day. There was a 6mth old black lab mix there....no bigger than my Kenzo. Looked JUST like a mini black lab! Boy did I wanna take him home NOW. Quote
yellowlabsrule Posted February 3, 2003 Author Posted February 3, 2003 Boy did I wanna take him home NOW I know how you feel! :( Quote
courtnek Posted February 3, 2003 Posted February 3, 2003 Must have been a typo in the ad....there are no lab/bc mixes at 3 years that weigh 20 lbs...... your lab is purebred, right yellow? how much does he/she weigh? My small one is a mix and weighs 75 lbs....so I guess I just cant see it at 20 lbs....(and NO, she's NOT fat.....LOL) :D Quote
imported_Foster Posted February 3, 2003 Posted February 3, 2003 I know purebred border collies that only weigh 20 lbs soaking wet. Just like with any dog, you have some very small ones but then again you also get large ones. I have seen bc's that also are 60 lbs. If it is part lab, it could have be a field lab and could be small. Many people have a misconception that all labs are big. I have a friend who has a lab that weighs 40 lbs. Many working dogs are kept on the light side because it is better for the hips. My bc/ mix weighs 36 lbs and she stand over 20 inches at the withers. Yellow--hope you come home with that dog...and if it is part border collie, good luck. It will be in a great home if you can take her... Quote
Luka-pop Posted February 3, 2003 Posted February 3, 2003 Wow! A new dog and a nephew! Congratulations! Luka's a lab/GSH pointer mix, and he's 60lbs (just thought I'd throw that in). Are you sure it's not 3 months ? :-? Quote
courtnek Posted February 3, 2003 Posted February 3, 2003 I still cant see it - a lab on the light side would be 35-40 lbs in my experience - and that's a small one. I've never had a BC, are there really ones that weigh only 20 lbs??? All the ones I've seen or met have been around 40, maybe 35 for the small ones....or am I just being fooled by all the hair? My malmaute/BC mix weighed in at 100 lbs....but looked like he was about 150 because of the hair....give him a bath and he shrunk two sizes.... :D Quote
Luka-pop Posted February 4, 2003 Posted February 4, 2003 I know what you mean about the hair taking up so much space. There was a dog at the groomers once, that literally had a back that was the size of a small coffee table or night stand. It must have been an Olde English sheepdog mix or something with LOTS of hair. His size was about that of an Olde English sheepdog. Well, two hours later, the same lady came to pick up the dog, which I didn't even recognize as the one before grooming! After he got all his hair clipped, he was about the size of a large shiba! I was like whoa! He wasn't even as stocky as a shiba. He had really slender legs and a slim body. By the way, I think the lady said that she clipped him because the dog was really prone to heat stroke and it was the middle of summer. She said she didn't want ticks and fleas in his coat cuz they live near an open field. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted February 4, 2003 Posted February 4, 2003 My Hazel is a BC + Aussie, she weighs around 45 lbs or so. (use to be 53 :o LOL That was when I started doing some heavy duity training to slim her down! LOL :lol: ) She's at perfect weight and health now though. Wow a New Dog AND new nef?! That's perdy sweet Yellow!! Once you get pics, you KNOW you'll have to show right?! I LOVE Labs and BC's so I'm SO gelous!!! LOL :lol: Quote
DogPaddle Posted February 4, 2003 Posted February 4, 2003 The average weight of a border collie should be approximately 38lbs. So a 20lb BC would be just about half the standard weight which is certainly possible but a little unusual. The average weight of a Labradour Retreiver should be very approximately 68lbs but they very a lot. Even at half the general standerd size 35lbs would be a very rare weight for a Lab. Its got to be a typo in the age, weight or breeds. Yellowlabs - congrats on your new nephew and possibly a new pup. Quote
yellowlabsrule Posted February 4, 2003 Author Posted February 4, 2003 Well....we're going to see her tomorrow! :D HERE'S MY QUESTION: The lady said that when you come in the house it gets excited and "leaks". I know we talked about this a little while ago, but can this be fixed? Here's her email: Hi... Daisy currently sleeps with our oldest daughter (16). She has a submissive personality especially around men. She is quite intelligent and would do well with agility training. She is spayed, and does not chase or bother our cat. I think she would do well on a farm and that her collie side would shine through. You are more then welcome to visit Daisy, let me speak with my wife so we can arange a time. We will be in touch. Thanks JUST A GUESS, BUT DO YOU THINK SHE WOULD BE RIGHT FOR ME????? Quote
yellowlabsrule Posted February 4, 2003 Author Posted February 4, 2003 PLEASE! I need advise! :D Quote
bk_blue Posted February 4, 2003 Posted February 4, 2003 I honestly can't tell you Yellow. You have room for her to run around. You take care of all your animals. You love them to bits. You want to do extra activities with your new dog, eg. agility. You'd take the time for your new dog to settle in and any "baggage" s/he came with. These are my presumptions. I think if you can do all these things (and anything else I've not thought of), you will make a great new mum for Daisy. :D Quote
yellowlabsrule Posted February 4, 2003 Author Posted February 4, 2003 O.K., but what about the summissive peeing? Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted February 4, 2003 Posted February 4, 2003 Hmmm...no idea. Kenzo will piddle when he's in trouble......but that's the only time. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted February 4, 2003 Posted February 4, 2003 This is about puppies..... Submissive Urinating: How can you stop your puppy from urinating when it gets excited? This is more common in females due to the shortness of their urethra (the connection between their bladder and the outside). This may improve with age. It is usually a combination of a physical and a behavior problem. When the dog is put in a very submissive situation or is very excited then the problem occurs. As the dog gets older the submissiveness will lessen, but you must work to ensure the dog becomes more confident in itself. Avoid situations where the urination occurs. When you come home, instead of greeting the dog at the door and making a big deal about the reunion, try to diffuse the situation by ignoring the dog. Just walk right by the dog, and let the dog outside before you acknowledge the dog. Eventually, the dog will learn not to become to excited about your returns. Other situations can be dealt with the same way. When strangers approach the dog, give the dog a treat or get the dogs attention some other way to diffuse the excitement or threat of the approach. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted February 4, 2003 Posted February 4, 2003 Here we are not concerned about urination as it relates to housebreaking problems. Nor are we concerned about territorial urination-urine marking. The two most common forms of urination at inappropriate times are excitement urination and submissive urination. Excitement urination most commonly occurs with puppies who, like children, do not have complete control of their bladders. The scene is usually one in which you arrive home after being gone a while and your puppy or young dog twists and turns in happiness to see you, and you respond with animated speech and lots of petting. At the same time, he inadvertently releases a few squirts of urine. It is especially important that you do not get upset over this occurrence. This is an involuntary reaction, and any form of punishment, including scolding, will confuse and bewilder your pup. The best thing to do is to tone down your greetings. Walk in the house saying nothing to your pup. In fact, ignore him altogether. This gives him a chance to calm down. Once he has calmed down, you can then verbally greet him with something like, "Hi, Pup." Wait a few more minutes and then reach down and give him more time to get used to the idea that his friend and companion is home once again. After several sessions of quiet, calm greetings, he will learn to hold it because he will realize that he only gets attention when he does. It should not take much time to correct this problem. Submissive urination is a natural response by a dog who is trying to tell you that you are the boss and he accepts his submissive role. Dogs who roll over on their backs and urinate when approached are signaling an extreme submissive position. Quite often a dog who has been physically punished—hit, kicked, slapped or verbally reprimanded in an abusive way—will exhibit this behavior. If you just adopted this dog and have not been the abuser but he is submissively urinating, then you must rebuild his trust in humans. If you are physically or verbally abusing him, stop it! To rebuild trust or re-establish a bond with your dog, do the following. Teach him what it is you want and reward him with praise and a food treat for complying. This will take time. First, as soon as your dog starts to cower or roll over or begins to look like he is submitting, do not approach him. Wait and let him approach you. Then give him lots of praise. If he does cower or roll over and urinate, back off, say nothing, clean it up and try again. The important thing here is for you not to forcibly approach this dog. Let him approach you and reinforce his non-urination behavior by giving him a ton of praise. Eventually, he will learn that you are different from his last carelessgiver, and that you are not going to scold or hit him. Once he figures this out, the submissive urination will disappear, and a bond will be built between you that will be strong and will last forever. http://www.metrokc.gov/lars/animal/Educate/cassidy/dog/dog34.htm Quote
mouseatthebusstop Posted February 5, 2003 Posted February 5, 2003 can you take your other dog with you to see how they will get on? Quote
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