To everyone

[courtnek]

Maybe K, maybe....

However, the word "sulking" comes to mind here.....

I'm always willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt - I'm with you on that. But if it were me, and I suddenly discovered that I was wrong, I would up and apologize and be done with it

[Guest Anonymous]

Ok, just to re-cap for myself and probably a few others here, this person here supposedly is an APBT breeder, correct? And at first she was posting her "breeder contract", which had very idiotic things in it might I add. Now she accuses us of trying to get her arrested and expects us not to have an apology. Im expecting one. We here deserve an apology for being VERY wrongfuly accused and I am ashamed to have this woman in the dog world at all at the moment.

[Guest Anonymous]

Ok I have not replied because as I stated before evry weekend I take one of my dogs to the lake/park etc.. that is what I was doing after that I still needed to excersize and play with the rest of them so I had absolutely no time to respond.
I am sorry I wrote this post without really thinking about it I was just in that sort of mood I guess. I did not mean to direct the accusation at all of you just those of you who told me you were going to call the AC or Spca or whatever on me.I assumed you looked around and found my name and somehow figured out where I was. But I was assuming an I am sorry if I was wrong.I should not assume. I also should not have wrote "I told you so" as it is childish but I was just kind of happy that the Animal control officers did not think the same things about me that most of you do.

[Luka-pop]

Thanks for apologizing. And I'm sorry too for my previous post. I had just got my midterms back a couple of days ago, and I was in a crappy mood (I did really bad in Algebra II/Trigonometry Honors- Ahhhhh!). Plus, Luka got through to his food and ripped open the bag and ate it, so he went to the bathroom in the house. I needed to let out my steam. I'm sorry I took it out on you guys :( . Forgive me. I'm just glad you realized it wasn't us.

[courtnek]

Thank you laduenda;

we appreciate the apology. Please try to understand that we are only concerned about the care of your dogs. And we do tend to voice our opinions, loud and clear in here. That doesnt mean that we are ganging up on you, just that we may disagree with something and will let you know.

If it were up to me, I would re-write that contract to be a little more "doggy-friendly" and less bare-minimum of what the law allows. I say this only because there are some people out there who are dog-illiterate, and will think that this is considered proper care. "Legally allowed" and "proper" are often FAR from the same thing.

I have had people ask me if it's ok to keep Border Collies in an apartment and walk them twice a day. Technically, it is. In reality, Borders need lots of room to run. I guess what I'm saying is that the people who buy your dogs may not know anything about dogs. Sometimes you gotta train them....the people, as well as the dogs!

[sixjollydogs]

:roll: You got me...I will go quietly...maybe move to Cookeville, Tn.

You see....I could not sleep last night...not a wink...tossed and turned...glass of milk...still no sleep.

THEN...I realized it was those darn barking dogs in Arizona....and I could just sense...them...pyschic I suppose here in Arkansas! :silly:

[Guest Anonymous]

Could those of you that are so good at finding those trolls check out and see if laduenda is posting on BB too?! Someone posted on there asking about contracts.
First off, anyone not having any idea about what they need to put in a contract should not be breeding dogs, of any breed. Two, I think most of you are right. She wants people to think she takes great care of these dogs. Why not say "animal control" told you how well taken care of your dogs are? Three, if you do own and breed APBT's for gameness you do HAVE to at least roll the dog to see if they are game or not or you are just breeding curs (sorry but its the truth!) You cant say you are breeding game APBTs if they arent proven to be game... regardless of bloodlines. Curs come from all lines! If you want to breed game APBTs but dont want to be involved in the "finding out if they are game" part of it all you need to buy grown, proven dogs, most likely from a dogman. Breeding dogs you dont KNOW are game will only hurt the breed.
I find it very sad to see people breeding dogs for any reason other than to better the breed. I take it very offensively when it is done with "my" breed. You cant breed because you think its cool to breed dogs. You cant breed just because you have two papered dogs. Breeding, and doing it correctly, takes much more than most people think. You cant just throw two game (proven game) APBTs together and think you are going to have great pups. Some bloodlines dont go well together and shouldnt be crossed. laduenda I would like to know if you know what bloodlines compliment each other. If you dont, please stop breeding. At least dont breed APBTs.

[Guest roo]

Hmmmm
Thank you for posting this :lol:
Well said and well written.
Although i do not agree with fighting dogs
your comments on this topic are welcome.
Thank you.

It is not possible to tell if it is the same person here and there as i can not
see the ip's on the other forum, but it sounds about right :lol:

[Guest Anonymous]

Not sure if it is the same person, goes by jill on BB.

http://www.barkingbuddies.com/forum/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=General&Post=732&Idle=60&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=1&Session=

hopefully this will show you. On the second page of general.
I think if someone needs to ask how to write a contract they dont know enough to breed. Having a love for dogs or even a certain breed is not enough reason to breed. Nor is money. Maybe its just me but I think it takes a lot more to breed gamebred APBTs than most breeds (dont mean to offend any breeders!!)

[Guest roo]

Thanks for the link Hmmmm
i am sorry i cant tell :oops:
but the spelling seems far too good :lol:
Roo

[Guest Anonymous]

I agree w/K, don't think that there the same person there...
But you know what's weird (a little off topic, sorry) that i just discovered?! I was signed up with BB a LONG time ago, like before we got the comp we have now, and I used my dad's laptop from work! LOL I TOTALLY forgot until I saw BB and recognized it, then realized I was on there before!! :oops:
I think Jill was someone who just wanted to start a contract... Laduenda actually had a contract, that had very little thought in it.

[Guest Anonymous]

It was not me posting on that board.First of all I already have a health garuntee in addition to my Sales contract so i am in no need of another one.Second of all I have had my health garuntee and have garunteed every single puppy I have sold from day one I am not a lazy person and I stand behind my dogs I think every breeder should 100% or they should not be breeding dogs. If a breeder cannot,does not or will not offer an extensive health garuntee then they obviousely have something to hide .

After saying that I would like to add that I did not even know that board existed until you posted that link.So don't assume things.

Also I never said I had "game dogs" I said I have gamebred dogs. There is a difference. As for what lines go together it depends on the traits you are looking for and the purpose they are being bred for(Conformation,weight pull,hog hunting,schutzhund etc..)

[Horsefeathers!]

laduenda napisał(a):

Also I never said I had "game dogs" I said I have gamebred dogs. There is a difference.

:question: :WTF:

[gooeydog]

Horsefeathers! napisał(a):

laduenda napisał(a):

Also I never said I had "game dogs" I said I have gamebred dogs. There is a difference.

:question: :WTF:

"game dogs" = dogs that have been tested and proven game
"gamebred dogs" = dogs that have parents/grandparents/ancestors (depending on who you ask) that have been tested and proven game

[Horsefeathers!]

I guess my point is more like this... WHY in the world is this "gamebred" word being tossed around at every turn and then this person adamantly denies any involvement in dog fighting. Ok, so gamebred means the ancestors were fought. So please 'splain to me why it is that NOW a "gamebred" dog is so important, but not a "game" dog. We've already knocked the idea of agility and such out of the water since agility and such things would be impossible with a dog aggressive dog. After all, they aren't running the courses leashed.

I guess I'm just not understanding the whole point of harping on gamebred, gamebred, gamebred. I could ALMOST see his/her point IF this was a person who spent time actually DOING something with his/her dogs. They've already admitted that their dogs are just chained in the yard and that they feel that training is unnecessary as long as you can chain them up. He/she SAID this! So someone please 'splain to me where gamebred plays a role in this.

Goo, I'm not arguing with you. I just really ain't buying that "gamebred" crap from Laduenda when he/she ADMITS that these dogs aren't trained for any of the events he/she claims to need a gamebred dog for.

[Shannon_C]

Laugh My Butt Off :lol: to the person who says that someone reported them.
Um strange. How could that be possible if no one has the address, unless it was given out somewhere over the net to maybe a person who lives in the neighbour-hood! No one from here as reported dogs barking.

tuts.

[Guest Anonymous]

If you own "gamebred" dogs but dont test them then you are not breeding game APBTs. All you are doing is breeding two bulldogs because you have two bulldogs. How do you know what traits these dogs have? How do you know they are game? For all you know, if you dont at least roll them, that you arent breeding curs? Bloodlines play a part in the breeding but they do not tell you if your dog is a cur or not. Sounds to me like you are breeding not to make the breed better but for money. Which is the wrong reason to breed. I own nothing but VERY well bred, gamebred APBTs and breed nothing but game APBTs. I would never purchase a dog from a sire and dame that are not tested. Noone would if they want a true gamebred APBT (which are the only trustworthy APBTs).

[Guest Anonymous]

Hmmmmmm you are getting a little toointo this. DOn tknow what you are used to or where you posted before here. Game testing isnt condoned here.... at all. Dog fighting is illegal and immoral. would you let your kids go out back and beat the hell out of each other with bats and cheer them on? alright them why would you place the dog you love in the same situation unless you dont really love them. Im sorry but for me my boys are just that my boys I dont care what they were bred for they are not fighters, they have all the right insticts and drive but thats as far as it will ever go. Why would you even brag about how game your dogs are?

I know the history of the breed and i am fully aware that the dogs are a product of the game. It was all the fighting culling and breeding that made the dog what it is. But if it is so great to have game dogs why is it a felony to test them? i have house dogs, game-bred or not doesnt really matter, as long as they love me provide me companionship and protect my family thats all that really matters.

:black:

[Guest roo]

ok ok
just to put a stop to this before it starts :lol:

Hmmm is welcome here.
The rules here are not to talk about fighting

Hmmm knows the rules as we all do.

lets just get on ok

[Guest Anonymous]

K and roo...Thank you.

I am not here to talk about fighting dogs. I will, however, argue with anyone breeding APBTs for anything other than gameness. They are not stable unless they are gamebred. I guarantee a cur pit will bite before one of my gamebred bulldogs does. I have been around and bred these dogs for years and have never had ONE accident. Most Dogmen (the responsible ones) have culled their dogs for years if they have shown aggression to people. Which is why they are so loyal and loving towards people. You cant handle a dog that bites and APBTs are more dangerous than most if they do bite.
It is illegal to match them because of PETA and the humaniacs. No other reason. As far as it being immoral, that is a matter of opinion. I think it immoral to breed untested APBTs as it ruins the breed.
As far as letting my kids, which I have none, go to the backyard to fight, no, I wouldnt. But they have not been bred to do so. I would, however, back them if they wanted to box or do karate or play football or anything else. People dont realize these dogs have the choice to fight or not.
One more thing... My bulldogs will protect me and my home, if I am there. If I am not there my housedog would let someone rob me blind. He would be to busy licking and trying to play. If I dont feel threatened neither do they. APBTs should never be used as guard/protection dogs!