Yet more bad APBT press

[Guest Anonymous]

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/dog_fighting030127.html


Regards,
Goblin

[Carolk9s]

So many of the people who fight dogs will also say they love dogs. I cannot reconcile this, how can you send something you supposedly love into a pit to fight another dog, a dog that may well kill or grossly injure your dog.
EVERYONE who fights dogs, breeds dogs specifically for continued dog aggression, or goes to the fights to see dogs tear into each other shares the shame and responsibility of more BSL being passed, more pit bull type dogs being put to death and the general publics fear leading to such a severe bias against these dogs.
To borrow a phrase, 'If you are NOT part of the solution, you ARE part of the problem'

[Guest Anonymous]

Good article. People that fight dogs are the scum of the earth. Did anyone notice the catch word "gameness"? Laduenda knows all about gamebred dogs.

[Guest Anonymous]

These are they types of people who really get under my skin. It is these people who put thier dogs through all that that make it so hard for good responsible owners(like me) just to have a dog leagally.

jeez, im pissed off again, and I had just calmed down. :angryy:

[Guest Anonymous]

Here:
http://www.pitbulls.com/stuff/press.html

This made me feel better.
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[Guest Anonymous]

It is actually the misguided public who is responsible for the BSL. Dog fighting was around 100 years ago and you never saw them attacking people then.It is the street thugs who make them man agressive who are to blame for that problem as well. The general public does not realize that dog agression and human agression are not one in the same. If some Apbt got loose and grabbed their dogs then the Apbt's owner should be held accountable as the dog should never have been loose. Another thing is that if they did get loose and grab their dogs and the kid got in the middle the Apbt would not bite the kid the Border collie would out of fear. Once the Apbt grabs the other dog he is not going to let go and grab the kid if he goes for a better hold he knows which thing is the Animal and which is a human. The border collie on the other hand would most likely be yipping and triny to slash anything it can and it will bite the kid and the owners of the border collie would never admit that their dog bit their own kid . Rescued former fighting dogs are not dangerouse to the public they know very well the difference between a child and another animal something that most breeds do not know. Remember that when dogfighting was legal the handlers had to get into the pit with them and release them from their holds so they could scratch again the dogs did not bite the handlers even in the heat of battle. Also a lot of those famouse dogs of the past went home into the house with their families. All dogs were genetically engineered in way or they would all be wolves all breeds have been selectively bred for the purposes the were created for that is why Labradors and newfies have webbed feet. Wolves like to eat sheep sow how did the border collie naturally become a sheep herder?All breeds of dogs were created or at least selectively bred by man.

[gooeydog]

laduenda napisał(a):

It is actually the misguided public who is responsible for the BSL. Dog fighting was around 100 years ago and you never saw them attacking people then.It is the street thugs who make them man agressive who are to blame for that problem as well. The general public does not realize that dog agression and human agression are not one in the same. If some Apbt got loose and grabbed their dogs then the Apbt's owner should be held accountable as the dog should never have been loose. Another thing is that if they did get loose and grab their dogs and the kid got in the middle the Apbt would not bite the kid the Border collie would out of fear. Once the Apbt grabs the other dog he is not going to let go and grab the kid if he goes for a better hold he knows which thing is the Animal and which is a human. The border collie on the other hand would most likely be yipping and triny to slash anything it can and it will bite the kid and the owners of the border collie would never admit that their dog bit their own kid . Rescued former fighting dogs are not dangerouse to the public they know very well the difference between a child and another animal something that most breeds do not know. Remember that when dogfighting was legal the handlers had to get into the pit with them and release them from their holds so they could scratch again the dogs did not bite the handlers even in the heat of battle. Also a lot of those famouse dogs of the past went home into the house with their families. All dogs were genetically engineered in way or they would all be wolves all breeds have been selectively bred for the purposes the were created for that is why Labradors and newfies have webbed feet. Wolves like to eat sheep sow how did the border collie naturally become a sheep herder?All breeds of dogs were created or at least selectively bred by man.

It's interesting that you brought up how APBTs have been around for over 100 yrs, and have always been this dog aggressive, yet never caused any problems. From what I understand, very few dog owners in the early 1900s leashed their dogs, and quite a few people/families owned pit bulls, so how did they all get by without their dogs killing other peoples' dogs? Things like that seem to make the principle that APBTs have always been so dog aggressive a little harder to believe, or maybe people just had better control of their dogs during that time? I'm not pointing fingers or trying to start a fight here, and may be completely lost in my thoughts, but it's just something I've been thinking about for a while now.
Also, you can't place all the blame for pit bull attacks on the "street thugs who make them man aggressive"... how did they get the dogs in the first place? And many people who I've talke dto about the difference between dog aggression vs human aggression believe that even if the dogs aren't human aggressive, but will only attack/kill other dogs, they still have no place in civilized places. People don't like anything that could harm/kill one of their family, and as some people consider their dogs their family, they will always have a problem with dogs that show blatant aggression, whether it be towards dogs or humans.

[Carolk9s]

With apologies to Sasha...

It is actually the misguided public who is responsible for the BSL

Dog knows I've tried to have some restraint where this idiot is involved, no more.
IS THERE NO END TO YOU TRYING TO AVOID RESPONSIBILITY? YOU DISGUST ME. SO TYPICAL, BLAME IT ON SOMEONE ELSE. YOU'VE CERTAINLY TRIED MISDIRECTION, PLACATION, AND A WHOLE LIST OF BS TO JUSTIFY YOURSELF.
WE AINT BUYING IT. YOUR ARGUEMENTS ARE WEAK AND BROKEN. I WOULD IMAGINE MOST PEOPLE HERE SEE RIGHT THROUGH YOU NOW.
WHAT UTTER GARBAGE.

[DogPaddle]

Labradors and newfies have webbed feet

Labradors have webbed feet??? I knew Newfs had webbed feet but all the Labs or owned don't seem to have webbed feet. Must be just some crazy genetic anomaly here in Canada. Probably a rare version of the breed started in the province of Newfoundland which contains the Labrador/Labradour region.
Gooeydog - I agree, my dog is part of my family. It would be no more acceptable to me if someones dog bit my dog then if it bit my brother. Either way I'd be seeing red, after I calmed down it would be the owner and the breeder I'd be wanting to go see though.

[Guest Anonymous]

You are right but only partially the dogs back then were well bred and cared for dogs, highly trainined and socialized. the dogs that are being spoke of in these news reports are anything but these are currs and mutts poorly bred and rarely trained to even come on command. You cannot compare these dogs to a proper APBT even remotely. would you compare your house cat to a lion. only in the most basic senses, they are dogs and the have tails thats about it. A well bred APBT is worth its weightin solid platinum, the dogs in these stories really should be euthanized, they have no fear or respect for humans and as such are a danger to anyone they encounter.

[gooeydog]

ROTT'N'PIT napisał(a):

You are right but only partially the dogs back then were well bred and cared for dogs, highly trainined and socialized. the dogs that are being spoke of in these news reports are anything but these are currs and mutts poorly bred and rarely trained to even come on command. You cannot compare these dogs to a proper APBT even remotely. would you compare your house cat to a lion. only in the most basic senses, they are dogs and the have tails thats about it. A well bred APBT is worth its weightin solid platinum, the dogs in these stories really should be euthanized, they have no fear or respect for humans and as such are a danger to anyone they encounter.

I think you missed the point I was trying to make :lol: La Duenda has said in other posts that it's "normal" and maybe even "desireable" for APBTs to be so dog aggressive that they'll mutilate themselves in an attempt to get to the other dog... which contradicts with the way APBTs seemed to be in the past (dogs that were able to control themselves around other dogs, maybe not even care about them, but yet wouldn't turn down the chance to fight if faced with it). I wasn't even thinking about the dogs that make the headlines, as those are a completely different "thing", and many of them aren't even pit bulls.

[Guest Anonymous]

Oh No Goo, not you. I was directing that to her as well. She was saying all that jazz about dogs not attacking a person or only attacking the dog and not the kid. WHatever, but that was really just to kind of give her the idea of the types of dogs that are being discussed in this thread.

I actually liked your post, you made some real good points.
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