Sheesh

[gooeydog]

Why is it so hard for some people to keep their dogs in their yard, or at least a little under control?? I had Goo out in the backyard earlier, and my friend's aggressive lab x came darting out from behind a car, growling, while we were walknig back up to the house. It took both me and Goo by surprise, and he stood a few feet away, growling at us. I got Goo on the other side of me, and started walking, but he ran around behind me and started growling at her from behind, then ran up right behind her (I think he though he was going to mount her :o ). Goo managed to twist herself around (all on about a ft of leash, that's how close he was) and tried to grab him, I guess it scared him, and he ran off. A few seconds later I heard someone down the street yelling "get outta here", and the dog came running back into my yard again, still growling. Goo was more than a little disturbed at him bothering us so much, and started screaming (that hideous scream that they do when they're completely outraged by something, like getting left when everyone else goes in the car :lol: ) as we walked up the driveway. I got Goo into the house, then came back outside looking for him (to take him home and complain again), but he wasn't there (they probably heard Goo and came running out to get him).

This isn't the first time he's done this kinda thing, either, but it seems as if he gets more sure of himself every time. Almost every morning when I walk Goo, there's a new pile of "poo" in our front yard from him, and everytime they let him out he runs down here to mark our yard (Goo's morning pee break now takes about 10 mins because she's gotta sniff every spot and cover it up :roll: ). I've asked/suggested to them several times to keep him in their yard or walk him on leash, the excuses I've gotten so far are (my thoughts are in parenthesis): "we can't walk him on leash because he's too strong" (he's real fat, but not real strong, easier to control than Goo is sometimes), "he won't poo on a leash" (you mean if he's on a leash, he'll poo in your yard, then you would have to clean it up :roll: ), "he needs exercise", "likes to run", or "he needs to explore" (all can be done much more safely from the end of a leash), "he got hit by a car before and it didn't hurt him" (he's not superman, and if the car's going fast enough, he won't be hurt, he'll be dead), "he's in heat" (you better run out and get some doggy diapers then :lol: ), "he won't hurt anything" (suuurrre), and if he did (they've now admitted that he would bite someone, given the chance) "they shouldn't be there anyway, he's just being protective" (you mean obsessive). When I told them to keep him in their yard, because if he should happen to get too close to Goo (ie: trying to mount her) and she hurts him, it'll be their fault, they told me "then you shouldn't have a dog like that, you should get rid of your dog" :o . I just have a hard time understanding that... my dog is under control at all times, and will hold a sit around another dog until it's safe for us to move away, unless that dog is jumping all over, or invading her "personal space" (about 10 ft away). Their dog is outwardly aggressive toward people, has no manners towards other dogs, and they let him run completely out of control. Yet if he and Goo were to get into a fight, it would absolutely be Goo's fault :mad: . I'm debating right now on whether to call AC on them or not, but would rather they not know it was me, since they'd probably get all p*ssed off about it and start trouble. They've already had AC called on them once, and got a warning, so I assume this time it would be a fine. I really don't like the idea of calling AC on a friend's family, but no matter how many times I ask them (nicely, rudely, calmly, whatever) to keep him away from my yard, they don't even make the slightest effort. And I can't think of anything else that I could do about it, unless I've missed something?

[corgilady]

Sweetie, it is WAY past time for you to call! You need documentation of all this, anyway, just in case sumthin' happens. 8)

[Cheetah]

People like that really piss me off! They have a totally backwards way of thinking and their reasoning doesn't make any sense. What annoys me about people like this is that they always have to be right, even when they're wrong the majority of the time. No matter how much you try to reason with them they won't listen and tend to twist your words around so that you look like the bad guy and they always come out in the right! Worst thing is that they're neighbors...making neighbors mad can be a very bad thing because you have to live with the results. If I were you I would try to call animal control and ask them if the complaint can be anonymous or at least not give your name out. This dog is most likely going to get worse and worse and eventually hurt someone if it isn't stopped. I definitely think something has to be done - its just a question about how you go about doing it.

[Carolk9s]

I'm thinking it's also high time you 'armed' yourself, perhaps a water pistol? Take it with you when you take Goo out in case this dog comes running at you again. Besides water, are there non toxic substances that could be used to perhaps deter this dog? I'm thinking vinegar but I will say up front I am not positive, I would not want to actually blind the dog but certainly give him a reason to back off and slink home. Plus don't want to give those people any excuse to accuse you of harming their dog even though he's clearly on your property.
Anyone know if vinegar would cause lasting harm or of any other liquids that would be obnoxious but not really harmful? Just an idea...

[Cheetah]

A bitter apply spray gun! BWAHAHAHA! That would sure keep the dog away - although it might not be very effective unless you get it in his mouth. Then he would probably run home shaking his head and sticking his tongue out and the owners would probably think you poisoned the poor thing! :lol: Only thing is it would be kinda expensive to be standing there squirting bitter apple - you'd run out quick....water might be a better idea. I have no idea about vinegar but I don't think it would be harmful; however, it might make the dog reek of vinegar and I don't know if the owners would like that (not that the owners would like bitter apple any better...but maybe if their dog comes home soaked or covered in vinegar they'd think twice about letting him over there anyway...At least you'd make the dog think twice!

[DogPaddle]

When I was much younger I poured a half strength viniger solution in my 2 year old brothers eyes (rest assured this was an accident). He screamed bloody murder but he still has perfect vision 23 years later. Maybe try a 1/4 vinager 3/4 water solution to be safe.
You could try a "sonic" dog repellant but it would probably drive Goo nuts too. You could try "bear bangers" but that would probably freak your neighbours out.
If you were feeling very benevolent (sp?) and thought you neighbour would respond well (and is capable of understanding subtlety) you could offer to come over and help them fix their fence??????

[Hobbit]

Pick up his crap......for a week......and deposit it on top of the hood of their car, or throw it into their yard or on their porch.

Even if this dog is in your yard, being aggressive with your dog --- if something was to happen that a dog fight started....Goo would be to blame, just because of the breed that she is. NOT fair, but you know it would happen.

MAKE THE CALL. Do you think that they would hesitate, if Goo was the one doing the aggression? Nope

......how did the other problem ever turn out with the white tri-pod Pit?

[eggrolyn1223]

You mean their dog runs around the neighborhood "free"? :o Aren't they afraid of him getting hit?Or running somewhere else?GOsh.You'll never get through to them.Best thing to do would be call the AC. :roll:

[Guest Anonymous]

Hobbit napisał(a):

Pick up his crap......for a week......and deposit it on top of the hood of their car, or throw it into their yard or on their porch.

Even if this dog is in your yard, being aggressive with your dog --- if something was to happen that a dog fight started....Goo would be to blame, just because of the breed that she is. NOT fair, but you know it would happen.

MAKE THE CALL. Do you think that they would hesitate, if Goo was the one doing the aggression? Nope

......how did the other problem ever turn out with the white tri-pod Pit?

Ah yes, Haley!

[Guest Anonymous]

We have lots of these people in our neighborhood, they are the free dogs now people. They walk thier dogs off-lead and they bring thier dogss outside in a non-fenced area off-lead and they often times leave thier dogs outside unsupervised... you guessed it off-lead.

Here I come walking my dogs on-lead and these free-roamers come by barking or growling or just sniffing and Im a pretty strong guy but when you take a 80lb Doberman and a 130 lb rottie and you get them excited it darn near impossible to stop them. THANK GOD FOR OB!!! When the dogs are friendly its not as big a deal it is still cruel and dangerous for the dogs to be loose, but it really bugs me when you get these Dog/People aggressive dogs running loose then they come running up growling. I have had to report the people around here frequently. Labs, rotties, toys, huskies, we got them all and when some people feel that their dog doesnt need to be controlled it is dangerous, for everyone.

Dont hesitate Call them in if not to teach the owner to keep the dog safe, just imagine a loose dog running up to an agressive dog, thats a fight right there and because you dog is on-lead it is at adisadvantage and stands to take a nasty bite as a result.

There are leash laws for a reason and when people break that its just like breaking any other law and they deserve to be punished.

[Black GSD]

If you do decide to call AC. Hopefully they will be better than the one is my old hometown. Our neighbors had a dog that they would always let run loose. Even though they had a HUGE fenced yard. This dog attacked my GSD once, (My dog was on a leash AND was accross the street from their house). Luckily my dog was a long coat and had a HUGE, thick coat. SO the dog didn't get any skin, just a mouthful of hair. This dog also would go after people. Calling AC got the owners a warning. So then they would just turn her out at night. As if THAT was OK. Finally she ended up being killed by a car. As bad as it sounds, we were GLAD. Though I wish it had been the owner instead.
By the way she WAS a Pit. But I don't blame the breed, just the crappy owner.

[gooeydog]

Thanks everybody. Like Cheetah said, I'd really rather not have a bunch of trouble with the them, but other neighbors have complained to them, so they really won't know who called, as long as AC stays quiet. The first time they had AC called on them, they started keeping him on a long leash tied to their porch, then started letting him loose only at night (hence the poo in my yard every morning), now it's whenever they let him out. They open the door, he goes out, he comes back later and scratches to be let in, or they go looking for him. He's not afraid of squirt guns (they tried to use one when he was stealing food off the table), and though I imagine there are some things that would scare him, there are probably others that would get him even more agitated. Squirting him with foul smelling stuff might work, especially since they can't bath him (he tries to bite them). Their fence is actually in pretty good shape, just needs the gates put back on, and one side pulled back up, but my friend's mother already said he can't go back there because he might bite a neighbor's kid (the neighbor who called AC on them) and "he likes to go up the street to see other dogs". I like the poo idea, but his is so runny I don't know it would come up off our grass (one of the main reasons I don't like him in our yard, who knows what's wrong with him, and I don't want any of our dogs getting sick). They don't want to do anything that might inconvenience themselves, even if it means their dog ends up dead (although they've assured me that that will never happen). After AC came the first time, they were all mad at their neighbor, so when they would see the neighbor's cat outside, they would let Manson (the dog) out, and he's go chasing after it. I suppose it was "payback" for reporting them (if their dog hadn't been growling at the woman's kids, she wouldn't have called). Another thing I was thinking as far as calling AC, I'm only 17, so if they were to find that out, would they even believe me? And how much should I tell them (ie: do they need to know Goo's breed, or that she's dog aggressive, etc)?

[gooeydog]

About Haley... she's lost a bunch of weight (was 42-43, now 35), and we couldn't figure out what was wrong with her, but one of the vets said it could be that her pancreas isn't producing the enzymes needed to digest fats, etc, so all the food she was eating was passing right through and she wasn't getting any nutrition from it (I forget what he said the problem is called). She's on dietary enzymes now, that she gets with every meal, and if that's what the problem is, there should be improvement within a couple weeks. My friend has been on time with her shots lately (after the vet told her that not being on time could kill her), so that's an improvement over the situation a month ago. Also, her blood sugar levels were way down (41) when we took her in yesterday, so they dropped her insulin amount down another unit. The vet is saying now that if we keep having to drop her insulin amounts, she may eventually be weaned completely off of it. It could also be that because of the lack of enzymes to break down the food, she didn't need as much insulin to "process" the sugar, so the amount of insulin might need to be increased again now that she's on the enzymes. She goes back to the vets in two weeks to have her blood sugar tested again, be weighed, and have her enzyme amount checked.

[Guest Anonymous]

Oh Goo! Thank you for the update!

[Carolk9s]

Hm, how about going to a public payphone and making an anonymous call to AC? Write yourself a little script up beforehand so you don't forget what you want to say or get sidetracked.
Tell them you WILL NOT give your name. If they want to know why either say you are concerned about retaliation from the neighbor or just that you choose not too.
Tell AC you live in the area, this dog roams about and terrorizes dogs and people alike. Give a good description of the dog along with the owners address. Tell them you are afraid of retaliation by the dogs owner. Tell them they must either pick up this dog or 'someone' in the neighborhood will most likely kill it.
If nothing happens, call them again the next day.
And the next.

[gooeydog]

Carol, I like that idea, and would feel a lot better knowing that they wouldn't be blaming me for getting their dog "put in jail" (they accused their neighbor of trying to get the dog "put in jail" when she called AC on them).
Mei Mei, I think that's what they think, that he needs to be "free", and they once told me that he likes to go visit all the "girl dogs" :roll: :x (there's no need for more dogs with temperments like his). There's a rotty pup up the street from them/us, that will probably be going into heat soon, and they leave her outsdie all the time (along with a fixed male boxer, he's fixed only because he peed all in their house), and I get the feeling that there's going to be a litter of lab/rotty/who knows what mixes by the end of spring. Of course the rotty's owners are the local crack house residents, and they won't get the dog spayed because "they don't have enough money", and they think they can make some off her pups. :x They even had the nerve to call and ask my mom if she could steal some vaccs from the vets and give them to them for the dogs :o

[gooeydog]

BTW, the dog doesn't bark at people.... he prefers to stand a few ft away and growl like he'd like nothing better than to kill you. And they wonder why the neighbor didn't want him loose when her kids were out playing :roll:

[Guest Anonymous]

:mad: If the dog is pooping in your yard and they do nothing about it take pictures and call the Health department and Animal control show them the pictures. If the dog is growling at you report it and say that it was acting aggressively to you and you feel that the dog is a danger to your area. God forbbid it bite you or your dog then you can go to the vet/or doctor and report the dog. I personally would not care if my neighbor knew who It was and if they let their dog go on my cat then they better believe that I would report them for the baiting of Animals . Something needs to be done. Because if I am not mistaken You have and Apbt right? They would report you if your dog even looked at them funny so do the same to them. I know two wrongs don't make a right but your dog could be killed(well put to sleep by the authorities) if their dog ever attacks yours and it defended itself. I personally would make sure to douse their dog in vinager or hit it with something if it came to close, anything is better than letting your dog get killed because of their ignorance. What about your local humaniacs? Report the situation to them maybe they will come and steal the dog who knows. :lol: