Guest Anonymous Posted December 31, 2002 Posted December 31, 2002 Hybrids or, Cross Breeds? There is a falsity out there that if you breed two different breeds of dogs together you will get a stronger, healthier super dog. Well it’s not true. What you are doing is actually out crossing not, Hybridizing . Out Crossing: this will just be a mixed breed dog bred from two separate breeds of dogs carrying the genetic problems of both breeds used. Now don’t get me wrong, there have been separate breeds of dogs created in this manor through extensive selective breeding. But remember they are the same species (dog) as those started out with just a different version. Hybrids; This is the breeding of two different species the resulting product will often be stronger and healthier than the original breeds, or the opposite may apply in some cases, but the drawback here is, unless the parents carried the same amount of chromosomes the Hybrid will be sterile almost 99 percent of the time. But there have been exceptions. This is how nature evolves and creates new species. Not sure if any of you accept this info, but here it is. I seem to get a bunch of negative questions each time. especially from crossbreeders. these are not my facts but they ring true for me. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted January 2, 2003 Posted January 2, 2003 I have to respectfully disagree. The Alaskan Huskie is a true mutt- not in the sense that it' ancestory is a mystery, but that it is and has been a combination of various breeds to produce a stronger, faster tougher dog . In the late 40's when sled dog racing was becoming popular and more competitive, various breeds were bred to Alaskan and Canadian village dogs- some of those breeds were Irish Setter used by Gareth Wright to produce a variant called the Auroura huskie, hounds, greyhound and early siberians by the great George Attla in the Alaskan interior. Although my dogs are not registered, I have pedigrees an all of them that are reliable to at least 6 generations, sometimes even farther back. If crossing did not produce a superior animal, major sled races such as the Iditarod, the Yukon Quest and the Open North American championship would be won by so-called unaltered breeds such as Siberians and Malamutes. As it stands now, there is an occasional purebred (by purebred I mean AkC/CKC) in a few teams, but virtually no competetive teams comprised solely of registered dogs. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted January 2, 2003 Posted January 2, 2003 [quote name='Pumpkin the musher']I have to respectfully disagree. The Alaskan Huskie is a true mutt- not in the sense that it' ancestory is a mystery, but that it is and has been a combination of various breeds to produce a stronger, faster tougher dog . In the late 40's when sled dog racing was becoming popular and more competitive, various breeds were bred to Alaskan and Canadian village dogs- some of those breeds were Irish Setter used by Gareth Wright to produce a variant called the Auroura huskie, hounds, greyhound and early siberians by the great George Attla in the Alaskan interior. Although my dogs are not registered, I have pedigrees an all of them that are reliable to at least 6 generations, sometimes even farther back. If crossing did not produce a superior animal, major sled races such as the Iditarod, the Yukon Quest and the Open North American championship would be won by so-called unaltered breeds such as Siberians and Malamutes. As it stands now, there is an occasional purebred (by purebred I mean AkC/CKC) in a few teams, but virtually no competetive teams comprised solely of registered dogs. I uderstand what you are saying but you did not understand what you read... insert from my origional post............. "Now don’t get me wrong, there have been separate breeds of dogs created in this manor through extensive selective breeding. But remember they are the same species (dog) as those started out with just a different version. " What you are talking about is...breeding for a selective traight and if you keep using superior dogs you are going to get superior dogs. if you keep weeding out the bad. Selective traights must be bred into a dog from selective parrents. if you breed a dog from another breed into the origional bred to get a certian traight not all the pups will carrie this traight you then must select those that do and bred them back into the same lines. You are getting into line breeding and hereditary not crossbreeding first generation and mutts, like many will tell yu it takes years and generations to get a traight to set into a line. I was mentioning dogs in general as a species Quote
Hobbit Posted January 3, 2003 Posted January 3, 2003 "You are getting into line breeding and hereditary not crossbreeding first generation and mutts, like many will tell yu it takes years and generations to get a traight to set into a line". Would you elaborate on this statement? Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted January 3, 2003 Posted January 3, 2003 [quote name='Hobbit']"You are getting into line breeding and hereditary not crossbreeding first generation and mutts, like many will tell yu it takes years and generations to get a traight to set into a line". Would you elaborate on this statement? not sure if I can , but will try. I thaught it was prety self explainitory. you can not afix certian traights into a line with only one cross breed a to breed b. it takes a selective exstensive breeding program to afix desired traights into a line or other breed. if dog a and dog b were bred to give dog a's breed some qualities possesed by breed b, the resulting pups will not all come out with the triaghts desired. only through selective breeding over time can you afix desired traights into a line or breed. hell its been a long doy and if this don't make sense its the migrain talking. you got to catch me on a good day. Quote
Hobbit Posted January 3, 2003 Posted January 3, 2003 So, in other words.....by selecting traits that are homozygous, a person can fix a gene (a trait that is coded by a certain gene). Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted January 3, 2003 Posted January 3, 2003 [quote name='"HnDMarshall"']Hybrids or, Cross Breeds? There is a falsity out there that if you breed two different breeds of dogs together you will get a stronger, healthier super dog. Well it’s not true. Sorry, I just figured out how to use the quote thingy.(Sort of) That was the phrase that concerned me. The alaskan huskie is of course, just that- the combining of two or more different breeds to produce a better dog. The point about two species was understood and agreed with. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted January 3, 2003 Posted January 3, 2003 Sorry once again. The previous post was me... :oops: Quote
Poofy Posted January 3, 2003 Posted January 3, 2003 The dog need not even be homozygous for a trait to select for it, especially if it is an autosonomal dominant trait. Quote
Hobbit Posted January 5, 2003 Posted January 5, 2003 Poofy napisał(a):The dog need not even be homozygous for a trait to select for it, especially if it is an autosonomal dominant trait. In order to "fix" the gene, it must be homozygous. Quote
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