Are you ready for a dog questions......

[Guest Anonymous]

This is what I give to potential puppy buyers and those looking for a dog.
and those looking for ownership info. I feel if it can help keep one dog out of rescue it does it's job. I also posted this on the usa board, some apreciated it some did not.
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Are you ready for dog ownership?


Are you looking for a companion or a decoration?
Say you see a breed of dog in a movie and decide to get one. To keep that dog in full coat and winning condition is a full time job, not to mention the cost of training.

Rare, Exotic and Expensive?
To some those qualities alone make them highly desirable as possessions. But a dog is not a possession like a fancy car. You can't just use it whenever you like and ignore it the rest of the time.

Dogs as an ego booster?
It’s great to have a dog you can be proud of, but having a dog to boost your own sense of self worth is cruel and unreasonable, no dog should carry your emotional baggage.

Do you want to hear the patter of little feet or paws?
A pampered pooch treated like a child, cuddled and spoiled is and sounds great but, will you treat the dog the same if and when you do have children?

Are you in it for the long haul or is your desire for a dog just a passing fancy?
Ask yourself this; do you switch jobs, hobbies, friends or lovers often? Do you leave projects unfinished? Dogs usually live for 10 to 15 years are you ready for that kind of commitment?

From where you are now can you anticipate a situation that would force you to give up your dog?
Divorce, Job layoffs, failing health?. If it's likely the dog will outlive you , can you be assured of a good home for it?

Are you willing to share your space and possessions with an animal?
If you have a home and a yard that would look great on the cover of Homes and Gardens a dog might not fit into your lifestyle. Are you ready for hair on your cloths, nose prints on your windows? How about its toys everywhere? drops of water will be around its bowl and even god forbid, the toilet. He will use your yard as his bathroom and greet your guest with excess enthusiasm.

Have you really thought of the cost of dog ownership?
Premium dog food, Training lessons, Boarding during your vacations, routine veterinary care and spay/neuter surgery? None, of this is cheap and what if you have a breed that requires professional grooming?

What if your dog becomes sick or is injured?
Will you be able to afford hospitalization, medicines-even surgery? You should also take into consideration the emotional price you will pay when you can not afford to save your dog. On the lighter side there are a few insurance companies that are now offering insurance for your pets

Replacement costs of items damaged by the dog?
Very few owners have raised a puppy to adulthood without replacing something that got broken , chewed up , or piddled on along the way.

What about the dogs exercise needs?
Responsible owners do not let there dogs run free. Dogs need daily walks. Apartment dwellers need to find time to walk their dogs. Homeowners need a fenced yard for exercise.

Do you have the spare time in your busy schedule for a dog?
They need to be trained and groomed. They need to be petted and played with - this is not an option. Dogs are pack animals by nature and will not thrive without interaction with family members. A bored dog is a destructive dog and a lonely dog a vocal dog.

Are your children responsible enough to aid in the dogs care and treat it well?
The shelters are crowded with dogs bought by parents who believed a pet would teach the kids responsibility.
Children usually have short attention spans. Caring for a dog can teach valuable lessens only if the child is ready to learn them. Are you willing to take the extra time to teach your children to care for a dog? Is your child mentally ready to handle the responsibility of a pet dependant on humans for all parts of its existence?

Would Dog ownership conflict with your life?
Do you have a career? Work late?, Single?. Are your kids so involved with organized activities that they will have no time to spend with a dog? Does your spouse want the dog or know you are thinking of getting one? Is anyone in your home allergic?

Where to get information?
Your dogs breeder, veterinarians, trainers, the local Kennel club, books and magazines can all be useful as sources of information for the novice owner.

Have you considered Adoption? or an older dog?
Adopting an adult dog is a great way to save time, money, effort and most of all a life. There are advantages. You skip the housebreaking and chewing stages. It will all ready be spayed or neutered. It may even be obedience trained already. Usually a small adoption fee is required, others are free.

Are you ready?
A puppy is cute but it is only a puppy for a few months. Dog ownership isn't for everyone. A relationship that is an overwhelming responsibility for one person can be one of the great joys of a lifetime for someone else So weigh your thoughts carefully and that you make the right choice, A dog's life may depend on it.

This questions and answers page was created to help you determine if you are prepared for dog ownership. This page was not created to deter you from wanting to own a dog but to better prepare you for dog ownership. Many people who get a dog do it on impulse, this more often ends in disaster and sometimes with the life of the dog.

[Carolk9s]

Unless I overlooked it, I am still waiting for an answer as to which breeds went into 'recreating' this ancient breed of dog, the american lo sze pugg.

[Carolk9s]

I did some poking around, found the 'breeders' page.
Geez this would be funny if it were not so disgusting!
Rebecca gives a whopping 18 month guarantee against hereditary crippling/disabling defects. After that you on your own!

[Guest Anonymous]

Carolk9s napisał(a):

I did some poking around, found the 'breeders' page.
Geez this would be funny if it were not so disgusting!
Rebecca gives a whopping 18 month guarantee against hereditary crippling/disabling defects. After that you on your own!

That is the basic guarentee. better than you would get in most places.


peke,pug,chin the same as the ancient orientals used.

You are entittled to your opinions. But slander and name calling walk a fine line, play nice, remember the board policy.

[Carolk9s]

That is the basic guarentee. better than you would get in most places

BULLSHIT.

My pet quality Belgian Sheepdog came with a LIFETIME guarantee for any and all health issues. I in still in touch with his breeder and it's in the contract that if at ANY time in his life I cannot keep him for any reason she will take him back. In order to get his AKC papers, I had to have him neutered, but I planned on doing that anyway so you know that was no problem with me.
I know many belgian breeders who feel exactly the same, if its one of their pups, it will ALWAYS have a home to come back to if needed.

[Carolk9s]

And ya know, after 11 years I think he's a keeper! 8) Best danged $50 I ever spent.

[ArtfulDodger]

yes, most show bred dogs from reputable breeders give a lifetime guarantee, I would be very suspicious of a breeder who told me my dog was guaranteed until it had become nearly fully mature and then I was on my own.
If a breeder is confident in the health of their dogs a lifetime guarantee should be the ONLY guarantee he/she delivers.

[Carolk9s]

The main thing that bites me is that the 3 breeds used to 'recreate' this ancient breed ALL are subject to breathing problems! So hey lets make another dog that can't get out of its own way because it CAN'T BREATHE!
Well now that I'm riled up and really need to go to bed... 8)
HAPPY NEW YEAR!

[Carolk9s]

OK, one last post! 8)
If someone can successfully create a breed of dog who vacuums, dusts, and mows the lawn, I'll take 2! OK, make that 3! Like Mei-Mei said, a dog that can drive a pregnant woman to the hospital would also be cool!

[Guest Anonymous]

[quote name='Carolk9s']

That is the basic guarentee. better than you would get in most places

BULLSHIT.

My pet quality Belgian Sheepdog came with a LIFETIME guarantee for any and all health issues. I in still in touch with his breeder and it's in the contract that if at ANY time in his life I cannot keep him for any reason she will take him back. In order to get his AKC papers, I had to have him neutered, but I planned on doing that anyway so you know that was no problem with me.
I know many belgian breeders who feel exactly the same, if its one of their pups, it will ALWAYS have a home to come back to if needed.

here are some inserts from my contract................

I cover the basic 18 month guarentee but it does not stop there.....

If dog is sold with a spay neuter contract, Papers will be held for up to but not limited to 60 days. Veterinary certificate of proof (copy) and attending vets phone number must be sent to breeder. Only upon verifying the spay/neuter with attending vet by phone will the registration papers be sent to owner.

Owner herewith specifically grants Power of Attorney to breeder, to allow breeder in owner's name to claim the dog who is the subject of this contract from any Animal Shelter, Animal control facility, Humane Society, SPCA, or Animal Rescue facility, should the dog be held in any such place or facility. Owner holds the sheltering authority, agency, or party harmless for turning over the dog to breeder.

Under no circumstances shall Buyer, successors or assignees, allow dog's papers or pedigree to be used to falsely register another dog within any dog or pet registry. Should Buyer violate this covenant, Buyer shall be liable to Seller for $15,000.00 in liquidated damages, plus all attorney fees and costs incurred to achieve a remedy. Buyer specifically agrees that no judgment for liquidated damages shall be dischargeable in bankruptcy.

The breeder reserves the right to inquire about and inspect the dogs housing and quarters at any given (reasonable) time. If the breeder finds the dog in an unsanitary and/or in poor health condition, the breeder has the right to take the dog back from the owner with no compensation to the owner.

If for any reason you as the owner cannot or do not wish to keep this animal, you will contact the breeder before disposing of or giving this animal away. In the event that you plan to dispose or give the dog away, you agree to provide the breeder the guaranteed right to take the dog back.

As the owner you do not under any circumstance have the right to sell this dog without the expressed and written consent of the breeder. Upon consent, name, address and phone number of purchaser must be filed with breeder ASAP. New owner must agree to sign a contract with breeder and be bound by said contract.

[Guest Anonymous]

DreamWeaver napisał(a):

WOW! Go CAROL!!!! Lifetime gaurentees are what i'd look for. My Brittany (God bless her little soul) had a lifetime on her and even now after her tragic death i keep in touch with her breeder. How is that for a gaurentee??

what exactly did you get from the breeder after the loss of your dog?
money?, a card?, a new puppy?. or a kind ward?.
How old was your dog? and how did she pass?.

[Guest Anonymous]

18 months doesn't even guarantee that the dog will be able to pass its OFAs......anything less than AT LEAST 2 years is unconscionable. In no way is 18 months a "basic guarantee", at least not in the realm outside of BYB. It seems to me that most people who trademark a breed name like so many Barbie dolls usually have questionable breeding practices at best and are often BYBs only interested in the CHA-CHING the cache of marketing a "designer breed" on a ill informed public gives them.

Also, I did not see any slander or name calling. Just someone expressing an opinion about a particular person's breeding practices.

HnD, you have to realize, people on this board are very honest with their feelings and vocal in their opinions......if something is read that people find questionable.......that poster can expect to be called on it. Breeding practices are a particularly volatile subject. Not because this board is full of crazy militants, but because there are lots of caring dog lovers here who want to see the very best done for all canines.

Later,
Trinity

[Guest Anonymous]

Donna says:

what exactly did you get from the breeder after the loss of your dog?
money?, a card?, a new puppy?. or a kind ward?.
How old was your dog? and how did she pass?.

The breeder doesn't give refunds because that doesn't help with anything. Cards are peices of paper. No use there. I don't want a new puppy from that particualr breeder because I want a different breed next so no more Brittanys because of sad memories of Aja. The breeder helped me with grieving a lot and she let me help her out some for a few days while i got back on my feet. That is a good breeder in my opinion. One who stands by their customers.

Aja was 8 years old when she passed away last week. She suffered from a cancerous tumor growing rapidly inches away from her heart. she lost almost all of her weight. She died in her sleep right in my arms.

[Guest Anonymous]

I am very sorry about your dog and again very sorry if I dredged up sad memories. I kknow what it is like to have a dog that meens everything to you my little toy poodle sassy is like that she helped me through two miscariages, if I were to lose her I don't know what I'll do.

[Guest Anonymous]

[quote name='Trinity']18 months doesn't even guarantee that the dog will be able to pass its OFAs......anything less than AT LEAST 2 years is unconscionable.

we PennHip, you can do it sooner and its more acurate. but I guess I should change that part of my contracts for those who OFA. perhaps I should clarify, 18 months is a full refund, if they keep the dog and dont wish to return it its 1/2 back. But the dog is 100% returnable for its lifetime for any reason.

[quote name='"It seems to me that most people who trademark a breed name like so many Barbie dolls usually have questionable breeding practices at best and are often BYBs only interested in the CHA-CHING the cache of marketing a "designer breed" on a ill informed public gives them.[/quote']

I have searched the net and only found very very few trademarked breeds 3 or 4 at most. Most BYB'r and comercial breeders will not touch these breeds too much overhead.

I will say tis though there are a group of MI-Ki breeders using the TM but I personally think they are just using the TM as a selling point I do not believe it is a registered trademark due to the fact there are other MI-KI's out there not TM'd. unless all these other Mi-Ki breeders are in violation of the trademark. Hell they are at war with each other anyway. biggest mess I have ever seen. they can not even agree on the history of the breed or its origion. oh well.

[quote="Also, I did not see any slander or name calling. Just someone expressing an opinion about a particular person's breeding practices.

HnD, you have to realize, people on this board are very honest with their feelings and vocal in their opinions......if something is read that people find questionable.......that poster can expect to be called on it. Breeding practices are a particularly volatile subject. Not because this board is full of crazy militants, but because there are lots of caring dog lovers here who want to see the very best done for all canines.

[Guest Anonymous]

I disagree with you about PENNhipping being better than OFA, and we could argue it back and forth for years and I highly doubt either of us would change their minds.

In any case, the great thing about OFA is their 24 month minimum for certification. Since knowledge of the necessity of health checks is slowly creeping into the consciousness of the general public (with OFA being at the forefront), more and more BYBs are realizing that their dogs are gonna have to be 2 before many people will buy the pups they produce. So some are not breeding their poor dogs at such a young age. If the OFA 2 year regulation saves one miserable bitch from being bred on her first heat or before she is physically mature in general.....I say, God Bless the OFA and I pray that PENNhipping never achieves the widespread popularity of the OFA, because I have seen it used in the hands of unscrupulous breeders as a justification for breeding under 2 years, which I do not condone in any breed.

Also, you quoted the end of my post but forgot to respond to it.

Later,
Trinity

[Guest Anonymous]

Trinity napisał(a):

I disagree with you about PENNhipping being better than OFA, and we could argue it back and forth for years and I highly doubt either of us would change their minds.

In any case, the great thing about OFA is their 24 month minimum for certification. Since knowledge of the necessity of health checks is slowly creeping into the consciousness of the general public (with OFA being at the forefront), more and more BYBs are realizing that their dogs are gonna have to be 2 before many people will buy the pups they produce. So some are not breeding their poor dogs at such a young age. If the OFA 2 year regulation saves one miserable bitch from being bred on her first heat or before she is physically mature in general.....I say, God Bless the OFA and I pray that PENNhipping never achieves the widespread popularity of the OFA, because I have seen it used in the hands of unscrupulous breeders as a justification for breeding under 2 years, which I do not condone in any breed.

Also, you quoted the end of my post but forgot to respond to it.

the thing I like about PennHip is it gives you degrees instead of exelent,good,fair and poor. I have a female here whos brother has a set of the tightest hips in the breed, I pray she tests half as good.
I also have some news the comercial breeders and millers will usually most of the time will not OFA or PennHip too costly and time consuming.
My performance bred AB's do not come into heat untill they are about a year or more, not 6 months like most dogs. I will not over breed or breed early for pups under 2. I like to wait till the female has had a couple of heats sometimes 4. that way I can tell if they have a problem or odd accuring cycle. I had one female who came into a blind heat. she was in full heat but very little or no bleeding or swelling. really weird vet was shocked. Never did breed her.
I quoted the end of your post by mistake when quoting the other parts.

[Guest Anonymous]

I know that BYB's, millers and brokers to not test for anything because they simply don't care and it would take $$$$$ out of their pockets. I do not believe they are waiting until age 2 to breed because they think buyers are more knowledgeable today. There are just too many people out there who don't know the difference between reputable, byb, miller, or broker..

[Guest Anonymous]

I want to know is this a breed you came up with or is this something you picked up from someone else or what. Im not bashing or anything like that i want to get ome info before I really get loose and open my mouth.

[Guest Anonymous]

ROTT'N'PIT napisał(a):

I want to know is this a breed you came up with or is this something you picked up from someone else or what. Im not bashing or anything like that i want to get ome info before I really get loose and open my mouth.

Are you refering to the lo-szes? this is something I found. I am not the breeds origionator. I became very interested in this breed becouse of the way it was being handled. not haphazardly like many many others.
I have gotten to know the dogs and absolutly love them.
I did much research into the history of the breed, her breeding program ect.... and I liked what I seen. I have no interest in any other breeds except what I have my aB's and my Lo-Sze's.

I did not just jump into this blind. I research and try to keep track of new and developing breeds. I have seen many you would not even be aware of like the Creeper in upper Pa and NY. Been around in that area for decades, but no breeding program has been established or dogs registered. They are a rodent and groundhog dog that is also used on weesels, rabbits and vermin of such. The locals breed there dogs amongst themselves selling to neighbors and other farmers. Will these Creeper dogs ever make it to breed status and be organized in there breeding I don't know maby some day.

perhaps if the breeds we have today would have started out this way with all the precautions like we have with the lo-sze. and regulations governing the breeders and dogs. they would not have all the problems they have today.
The main colony is in colorado, I am in Texas.
you are limited to the number of dogs you can have of any breed.
(comercial breeders are out right there) I guess thats why they are pissed.

The thing about these is you can not just buy two dogs and think you are going to be a breeder. it don't work that way. there is lots of red tape and contracts and the trademark liscensing. each breeder must comply with the standard and guidlines.

There is a lawyer on call in case of contract violations. Each dog must carry the breeds seal on there certificate.
very very tight records are kept.

these dogs are not just crossed as many believe there is a breeding program in effect. and has been since 1985 and even befor that.and many have extended pedigrees for several generations.

only when new blood is needed or a traight to be fixed or improved upon is new blood allowed to be incorperated. and then it must be approved.

I get so tired of ligit decient breeds being lumped into the same barral as the bad. But that is what comes with breeding. That is also what will determin who falls by the wayside.

Well I am tired of discussing this everyone has there opinions, many won't except any breeders at all no mater what they bred or how they do it.
I seem to be repeating myself due to the order these posts line up people are missing previous posts already explaining everything.

[mcobbin]

does anyone else notice that whenever we question someone's breeding integrity, by saying something like oh....i don't know.....

18 months doesn't even guarantee that the dog will be able to pass its OFAs......anything less than AT LEAST 2 years is unconscionable. In no way is 18 months a "basic guarantee", at least not in the realm outside of BYB.

the breeder in question always seems to magically have some reply that tells us EXACTLY what we WANT to hear? usually starting it with something like.....oh.....

here are some inserts from my contract................

no? no one else notices this??? maybe it's just me..... :roll:

[Guest roo]

I have kept out of this one for a while now :lol:

But i feel it is time to say my bit.
we are all members of this forum, we all have different opinions,views,
ethics etc.
We have all been through a bit of a rough spell with stupid posts, trolls
(or trawls :lol: )
What ever i think of people mixing breeds is my opinion, if i choose to spay a bitch it is my choice. if i decided to mate my bitch on every season and pump out puppies no one can stop me.
I think we are often far to hard on new members, i can see what it must be like to try to get your point across and people jump down your throat straight away, i can understand sarcasm in these circumstances.
But one thing i will say is who are any of us to question someones integrity,
someones beliefs or opinions.
we can all have discussions on things and agree to disagree.
I personally do not agree with making new breeds by crossing two,
but that is my opinion.
I am sure many of you do not agree with the squashy faced breeds with their pushed back faces :lol:
Or the breeds that have to have ceasars 9 times out of ten :lol:
Roo

[Guest Anonymous]

[quote name='mcobbin']does anyone else notice that whenever we question someone's breeding integrity, by saying something like oh....i don't know.....

18 months doesn't even guarantee that the dog will be able to pass its OFAs......anything less than AT LEAST 2 years is unconscionable. In no way is 18 months a "basic guarantee", at least not in the realm outside of BYB.

the breeder in question always seems to magically have some reply that tells us EXACTLY what we WANT to hear? usually starting it with something like.....oh.....

here are some inserts from my contract................

no? no one else notices this??? maybe it's just me..... :roll:

So what do yu want no answers or explaination?
I gave you what is in my contract if it was what you wanted to here whats the problem? sheesh some people just can not except that any breeder wants to do right by there dogs. they just want to try to start something to prove all breeders are evil and don't care.

[Guest Anonymous]

For me I just feel that you have this rational idea and thats great I wish more breeder had the heart and fore-thought that you seem to bring to your breed. But you are being somewhat unrealistic as far as once youve sold your dogs, People will breed them if they see fit and whats worse some will breed them to another dog that isnt even of the same breed, happens ALL the time. You are gonna get buyers who just want something hot and new and in a year or two lose interest. Too many breeders try to sell thier dogs on the Hype-up factor and not enough on the dog itself. you are basically happy about creating (or having a hand in) or re-creating this great breed thats ancient and extinct. What about natural selection, did you ever see Jurassic Park? Hey it was here it had its shot let deal with the breeds we have presently and try no to screw them up too bad...

[mcobbin]

to HnDMarshall:

i'm not in the business if starting beefs with people old or new. if you read most of my posts, you'll see that i usually just leave all this fun to the big guns. i didn't mean to offend, i was just making an observation. i've only been on this site for a few months, but i've read all of the backlogged forum discussions, and HAVE noticed that whenever we question someone, they tend to tell us what we want to hear. not that its our business, but many of us do tend to cringe at the thought of a new breed when there are many wonderful "companion" breeds sitting in shelters just waiting for someone to want them. i realize though that this is not a "new" breed...just a revamp of a pre-existing one. something in me wonders why it fell out of breeding in the first place. and don't get me wrong....i'm not questioning your right to do whatever you see fit to ensure that this breed gets reintroduced and thrives....i am not qualified to make any judgements. and it IS a free country. what you choose to do IS your right. and my post was not meant to question your integrity as a breeder. you seem to know quite a bit about this breed, and that wouldn't be so if you didn't care enough about the breed to do your research. as a matter of facct, i'm sure that you've made yourself quite knowledgeable on all aspects of the breed, the breed requirements, registering requirements, etc. and frankly, i cannot, with a clear conscience, even dislike those who breed mixes, as my own lovely baby is the result of a botched mix breeding, and i wouldn't trade him for the world. :)
and i do feel a bit humbled this morning reading this reply, when i realize that i am always one to say "the people on this forum always seem fair"....perhaps i am guilty of giving you a rough time...but like i said, it often seems that whenever someone is questioned, they do tend to say exactly what "seems right". but, like roo said,...who am i to question anyone's integrity....no one really. i used to help my dad purify the bloodlines of the dogs he raises, but i haven't bred a dog in 7 years!! i probably don't even know the standards any longer. :oops:

so...long story long, i will quietly sit in my corner and thrust my fork deeply in the humble pie i just baked. i look forward to reading all the new posts each day, and am always excited to see new posters...i hope that my words haven't shed poorly on my fellow dogo posters.......like roo said:

we are all members of this forum, we all have different opinions,views,
ethics etc.

i hope that you do not mistake MY opinion as a reflection of the opinions of everyone here, as i'm sure that there are members here who would not agree with me!!!
FURTHERMORE (she says as she flosses bits of her own foot from her mouth)...i hope that i have not contradicted myself too greatly.....the people here are great, and generally :oops: do not make a habit of "attacking" new members......i'm sorry to say that i may have.