I think its safe...peeks head out.........

[Guest Anonymous]

This is hard I feel like I am walking on a rail with sharks on both sides, and every now and then I dip my toes in the water to test the waters.

I have been called, Breeder basher, BYB'r, Rescue scumm, Cross Breeder, and others in my time on the boards.
I have endured bashings from both sides.

Here is what I am judge for yourself......
I do breed, I have American Bulldogs, last litter 4 years ago.
I also breed American LO-Sze Pugg (TM) Dogs, just placed my first litter the new owners were very pleased. This breed gets me into trouble with those who believe there are enuff dogs in the world and with breed purists. Mainly becouse they are a rather new breed first named in 1985 and recongnized by two registries. they breed to a standard and are protected by strict guidlines and contracts which are fully enforced by the law. The usda breeders don't like the fact that the number of dogs of any breed on the property are restricted. and that breeders must pass inspection, sighn a breeders contract sign a liscensing of name contract and abide by guidlaws, and a standard. Which none have been able to do.

I rescue, I have spent more on my dogs than I do on myslef.
I have spent 750 on a dog to save its life only to give it to a great pet home. I kept another rescue for 2 years untill a good home was found.
I believe in sending people to rescues and pounds if they are looking for a regular pet dog. My dogs are usually spoken for in advance.
I am very selective when I purchase dogs.
I breed the cleanest and healthiest lines I can. if there is a problem I want to know so I keep intouch with all puppy buyers and its in the contract that I must have a way to contact the owner and that if the dog is unwanted for any reson it is to be returned or the person getting the dog must sighn a contract with me to keep me posted of dogs progress.
If there is any medicle problem with the dog I want a copy of the vets report for my records. I hold papers untill I recieve proof of spay or neuter on all dogs expecially the lo-Szes. All Lo-Sze are sold either already s/n or with a contract of s/n and papers held till the vet certificate with vets number is recieved.

I line breed, but do make out crosses to keep the lines healthy, I research all aspects of the dogs in the lines, Dealing with my own lines I know what they will produce and what problems if any to watch for.
I have informitive material which I hand out to buyers nad potential breeders , which I can share here. I will not breed a female more than four times in its lifetime. I still have the grandmother to my AB male. We just lost his great grandsire.

I love art and am painting diferent breeds. I offer these on ebay and to breed clubs at a big discount.

Well thats me, shoot away.........I have learned to duck!

[Carolk9s]

Call me dense but just what the heck is an American LO-Sze Pugg? What breeds have gone into this creation? And for what purpose?

[alicat613]

Ah, another "custom" breed. Joy. Sorry that the majority on here don't agree with you, but as I see it, we need to take care of the breeds we have now before making new ones, if even then. Not we as in individuals, but as a society. We need to do away with BYBs and pet stores that sell pets, and people who fight dogs, etc etc. We've got enough on our plate as it is to deal with before focusing on inventing new breeds.

I haven't called you anything. All I see is that you sure seem to like attention.

[Guest Anonymous]

Would like to see the dog art.

[Guest Anonymous]

alicat613 napisał(a):

Ah, another "custom" breed. Joy. Sorry that the majority on here don't agree with you, but as I see it, we need to take care of the breeds we have now before making new ones, if even then. Not we as in individuals, but as a society. We need to do away with BYBs and pet stores that sell pets, and people who fight dogs, etc etc. We've got enough on our plate as it is to deal with before focusing on inventing new breeds.

I haven't called you anything. All I see is that you sure seem to like attention.

I don't want to get into a lengthy discusion the lo-sze are a recreation been around for a while. They make great theropy dogs. have great dispositions. you don't have to wory about these turning up in rescue. what little breeders there are have it in the contracts to take the dog back if any sort of problem arises.

the stones are starting to fly :(

[alicat613]

I never threw any stones at you, don't insinuate things. I have a right to voice my opinion, and that I did. I'm sure they are lovely dogs, and there are many lovely dogs out there of all sorts of genetic origins, BUT my point was I think more efforts should be put into fixing the overall global dog problems - overpopulation, bad breeding, dog food lies, etc - before you focus on designer pets. Now that's my opinion, and you have yours, and never shall the two meet.

[Guest Anonymous]

alicat613 napisał(a):

I never threw any stones at you, don't insinuate things. I have a right to voice my opinion, and that I did. I'm sure they are lovely dogs, and there are many lovely dogs out there of all sorts of genetic origins, BUT my point was I think more efforts should be put into fixing the overall global dog problems - overpopulation, bad breeding, dog food lies, etc - before you focus on designer pets. Now that's my opinion, and you have yours, and never shall the two meet.

I agree with you whole heartedly, and I suport the effort but, I like these little monkeys and their atitudes and dispositions. the only major fault found in the lines is a cleft pallet since 1985 I would say that is pretty good!. Like I said I do rescue and I have breeding information that I have circulated over the net for years and now it is on many sites I will post it here as I did o the usa board I am sure you will apreciate it a whole lot more than they did....lol they at least some of them took it as an attack on there breeding operatiions.

[alicat613]

How does this breed differ than the "regular" pug? Which is the one I see more often? I see a lot of pugs, just never knew there were now different kinds. Do you have a link to where I could see a pic of these pugs?

[Guest Anonymous]

DO you have a picture of these dogs?
I want to see one.

[Guest Anonymous]

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/americanloszepugg.htm

[alicat613]

Interesting.

So what's with all these new breeds having "tm"? I mean, real breeds aren't trademarked...what's the deal? If I breed my Yorkie and my Poodle (this is a supposition, I don't have either dog and don't breed) are the Yorkipoo "TM" people gonna come down on me for trademark infringement?

[Guest Anonymous]

http://members.tripod.com/~colt-ashlynn/home.htm

[Guest Anonymous]

Just out of curiosity, you speak a lot about breeding but don't mention anything about showing. Do you compete with your dogs to verify and exhibit the quality of your breeding program? Whether it be conformation, obedience, agility etc.

Thanks,
Trinity

[Guest Anonymous]

Guest I am sure you could login under one of your 5 or 6 names.. :-?

[Guest Anonymous]

I was just trying to help, sorry.

[Guest Anonymous]

No Mei-Mei, I was talking to someone else. I created some screen names
the past few days and feel really bad about it now. I don't have any dogs anymore. I just recently lost a dog to a cancerous tumor that was right by her heart. She lost weight rapidly and died in her sleep last week and I was just trying to get some attention because im alone right now. I don't mean to sound so unreal but I truly am sorry for all the trouble I caused. I do know quite a bit about dogs because i work with a breeder at a kennel by my house and work part-time at the local shelter. Once again, terribly sorry for my troubles and it won't happen again. And I hope the wbsite helped cleared some things up for you all on American Lo-Sze Puggs.

[Guest Anonymous]

No need to apoligize...login and post! :wink:

[Guest Anonymous]

alicat613 napisał(a):

Interesting.

So what's with all these new breeds having "tm"? I mean, real breeds aren't trademarked...what's the deal? If I breed my Yorkie and my Poodle (this is a supposition, I don't have either dog and don't breed) are the Yorkipoo "TM" people gonna come down on me for trademark infringement?

the tm is a trademark of course, but it was done for the breeds protection. that way puppy mills and comercial breeders and those banned from breeding them can not copy the name and say they have what they don't. I see it way to often. Right now they have the smae problem with the Carlin Pinscher. too many copy cat breeders trying to get money on someone elses hard work and the dogs suffer.


and yes the trademark is enforced by law. it was not done to make them special or worth more but to protect them.

[Guest Anonymous]

Curiousity question HnD...Could the trademark be done on say a Great Dane or a Husky? Or is it just certain breeds?

[Guest Anonymous]

Trinity napisał(a):

Just out of curiosity, you speak a lot about breeding but don't mention anything about showing. Do you compete with your dogs to verify and exhibit the quality of your breeding program? Whether it be conformation, obedience, agility etc.

Thanks,
Trinity

My Ab's are mainly working dogs catch dogs, which I am plannng on getting into more on a competitive level.

the lo-sze's, there are not enuff of out there to compete due to the fact you can't get enuff of them in one spot for a good showing. But they are bred to a standard and I am planning on trying to get some shows started with the registry. right now I am trying to get them into some rarebreed shows in my area just to test the waters but there is no compitition to compete against.

[Guest Anonymous]

Mei-Mei napisał(a):

I read about the Lo-Sze and understand the wherefores, but I still don't understand the whys! I respect your right to breed any dog you wish, but I will never understand why, at this point, new breeds need to be created. Especially when they are accomplishing the tasks that are already performed by the 100s of other breeds in existence. A Lo-Sze doesn't seem too much different from a Pug or a Pekingnese. Why is it needed?

Now if someone created a breed that drove pregnant women to the hospital, I couldn't really argue with that. :wink: But how many companion breeds do we need? Especially when there are dogs languishing away in shelters?

Not many will understand, But the reason is on the site. I guess it is like all those out there wanting to save rare breeds, Breed for better dogs.
as with the dogs langueshing in shelters, all those dogs had homes and breeders that should be responsible for them. I feel people should be edjucated in breeding responsibly and in owning and caring for a dog.
If some of the people getting dogs on impulse would have thaught about the responsibilities that go with the dog, the pup they could not handle may be in a better home and not in a shelter.

[Guest Anonymous]

Donna, how long have you been a breeder. I found your name out from Rebecca Manns website. Hope you don't mind but if you do I will just call you by your screen name. I was wondering why this breed was created also. Do you think AKC would go for recognizing them because I don't think they would anytime soon, but then again I also think AKC is a load of huey sometimes.

[Guest Anonymous]

Well the way to get on a forum is not to go about creating 5 names. Just one and post truth, questions, or whatever. The rest gets you no where. People here (including me) do not mind helping anyone but dislike someone who is going to lie about things and poo post. I understand grieveing as does everyone here but that is no reason to mess with anyone else. If you want to be a member here fine. We debate (which is not always pretty and some do not always see eye to eye) we laugh and cut up. We have friendships and bonds. But these are formed with truth. Now if you have a APBT or a Great Dane or a Lab or a Poodle I do not care but just tell it like it is and lets move on. But just remember to be honest on any board you go to not just this one.

[Guest Anonymous]

Sorry to say Jacsmom, I have no doggies at this time and probably won't for a while. It is still fresh.

[Guest Anonymous]

Jacsmom napisał(a):

Curiousity question HnD...Could the trademark be done on say a Great Dane or a Husky? Or is it just certain breeds?

very good question, no becouse you would need a tottaly origional name that is not being used. It's too late for those breeds unless you can get everyone who has one and breeds one to sighn the liscensing contract. you see it would be too big and costly. the name could not be used in advertising either unless liscensed. To learn more you would have to look up trademarks.