Guard dogs

[Guest Anonymous]

I just need to know which dog is best for guarding, is it a rottweiler, a great dane or a neopolitan mastiff, i donot want a doberman pinscher i think that those three breeds above are best for guarding, i also want to know which is strongest in them

[Guest Anonymous]

I would not get any dog for a "guard dog"unless you are prepared to spend a lot of time,energy,and mony working with a reputable experienced dog trainer. Your dog will need to bve fully obedience trained before starting any bitework this means that he/she must obey your every command on or off leash no matter what the distractions are. a Proper protection dog should be calm and friendly to all people unless you are attacked they should be good with children and other animals and they should be no larger than you can handle for example If you are a small person that is petite you should not get a giant neopolitan Mastiff or Great dane you need to be able you handle your dog in any situation and even though they may be trained to bite letting your dog do it should be your last resort and only if you have no other choice. Do not get any dog and think that you can withold socialization to make them mean more than likely they will become shy and be scared of anything and everything. Do not assume that if you make your dog mean it will attack and do not assume that it won't either.A better choice for you would be to get a good dog of any breed that you can properly obedience train and socialize and most dogs no matter how friendly will bark when they think their owners are threatend this should be all you need .A detterent most people will not "try" a dog that is very well trained and looks like they are protecting you. A german shepherd may be a good choice for you but do your research and talk to some reputable breeders as well as some trainers in your area,let them know what you are looking for exactly and how much time and energy you can put into the dog and it's training.

[Guest Anonymous]

guys u all misunderstood me, the problem is i live alone and need a dog for protection, i got stolen more than once , and want a dog to be mine i will treat it so good, but i want it to be protective and those types of breeds i listed i think are tough enough for the job, just need to know which of them is the toughest, so it can be protective and strong vs intruder

[wildbunch]

You need to do some research on what has made some breeds unliked by the majority of humans. People train them as fighters, guard dogs, etc and then get tired of the dog. It then has to be put down if too aggresive. No one on this board will ever recommend a breed for guard dog.
We are all avid dog lovers and enjoy their gentle spirits.
Just so that are aware, a dane should never be used for anything but loving. They are a sweet natured giant of a dog and must be carefully watched and raised. Alot of health risks involved in owning danes.
Any giant breed is going to cost you good money to keep. Proper nutrition, higher vet bills, more space required and the most important as much love as you can give.
I've seen alot of good dogs ruined by people who think they need a ferocious dog to protect them. If you are seriously considering this then you need to go to a professional guard dog training & breeding facility. They will not train the dog to be aggressive but train it on how to look and act. They hand pick and raise dogs in their facility and sell them to qualified applicants.
DO NOT GO TO A BACKYARD TRAINER & Do not go buy a puppy or dog and try to train it yourself.

And I will repeat DO NOT GET A GREAT DANE. They are not an aggressive breed and are a very loving creature.

Please go talk to a guard dog training facility. They will assess your needs and figure out if you actually needed a dog or if like Mei-Mei said an alarm system will work fine. Carry pepper spray anything but just buying a dog.
You have a lot of work to do, go to the library, read books, go to trainers, breeders. I'm sorry but you've got me a little upset I am pleading with you to please not buy a dog and denie it the chance of a healthy happy loving life.

[Guest Anonymous]

Any dog will be a deterrent for a break-in. You do not need a "tough" or violent breed, any medium to large to giant breed that will make a great family pet, that you will train and love, will want to protect you IF the need ever comes. Most dogs will bark if an intruder tries to get in and will scare off the burglar. IF you raise a dog to adore you, it will want to protect you IF the need ever arises.

Although I'd have to say my Standard Poodle was a much better "guard" dog than my Great Dane. My Standard was always looking out the window and would bark when people came to the door. My Dane can hardly be bothered to get off the couch LOL.

No one take that to mean we wanted a guard dog, we don't. We don't even lock our doors most of the time, it's a very safe area. It just cracks me up how there will be a knock, he may lift his head, then he goes back to sleep.

[alicat613]

As you can see, these dogs care much more about sitting on their bums than the hundreds (really) of dogs and people around them. And that, by the way, is what a 200 lb mastiff looks like. 180 pounds in the above post was not an exaggeration. The largest mastiff of all time weighed somewhere around 330 pounds. And that is what a baby Dane looks like. He's already 60 lbs, which is quite a lot when you consider feeding, lifting, getting pounced on, etc.

Rather than look for a "guard" dog, evaluate what real traits you want in a dog, hair length, activity level, etc.

Some dogs are genetically predisposed to checking things out, like the Great Pyrenees will often consider his family his herd and make routine walkabouts to make sure everyone is ok! I've met a few, very nice dogs, but I don't know that much about them.

So if you want a dog for other reasons, as a family member, than pick one that is right for you, not one for guarding!

[bk_blue]

I've said this before: almost any sort of dog will protect you if you treat him with love and care. Building up that relationship with your dog will want to make him protect you, because he loves you and wants to look after you in the same way you look after him. That's my take on it anyway! A dachshund can sound as scary (well, almost :roll: ) as a larger, more typically "tough" dog, and most intruders will back off without even looking to see the size of the dog.

Good luck and I hope you make the right decision for your lifestyle.

[Guest Anonymous]

Than u all guys for evey single advise u made, they all helped much i got a better back-ground now, i will buy the dog as a family dog, any dog can do bark against a burgular if found, and this more than enough, i will buy a dog mainly as family dog, and i will buy a German sepherd from a well known breeder as u all advised mr, thank u :D

[ArtfulDodger]

Guest, I can't say I've ever trained a dog to be a guard but from my experience I have found that the best dogs for alerting you to someone's presence are the toy breeds and small terriers. They always seem to be extra vigilant. They wouldn't be much use if it came to fistycuffs but by God they'd give it their best.
I own pit bulls and I wouldn't recomend them as guards, the chances are they would hold the door open for the burglar and help him take the video and tv to his van. :lol:
Can anybody tell me where the link is so I can put a pic of my dogs up on my replies??? I've searched high and low and can't seem to find one and I see al your dogs up there and I get jealous :D ..

[bk_blue]

Dodger welcome :D
If you go to "profile" up the top, then go down to avatars, you can get one of your dog as long as it's on your computer already. It has to be a certain size (80 pixels max) so make sure you resize it on the computer otherwise it won't be accepted. hope this helps. :)

[alicat613]

Anonymous napisał(a):

Than u all guys for evey single advise u made, they all helped much i got a better back-ground now, i will buy the dog as a family dog, any dog can do bark against a burgular if found, and this more than enough, i will buy a dog mainly as family dog, and i will buy a German sepherd from a well known breeder as u all advised mr, thank u :D

You've just made my day! :D

It's wonderful to have someone seek advice, and really listen, rather than seek advice but only hear the answers they want.

A dog as a family member will enrich your lives greatly, and as an added bonus you'll have someone to bark at the door! My dog is a total wuss, the best I could hope for is him to lick an intruder but thankfully they don't know that (he does bark, more because he doesn't understand what the knocking noise is) but I do admit I feel safer walking out in the woods with him than I would alone.

[Hobbit]

Anonymous napisał(a):

Than u all guys for evey single advise u made, they all helped much i got a better back-ground now, i will buy the dog as a family dog, any dog can do bark against a burgular if found, and this more than enough, i will buy a dog mainly as family dog, and i will buy a German sepherd from a well known breeder as u all advised mr, thank u :D

Glad you are going for a family dog.

I wouldn't advise a GSD for a first time owner, unless the breeder is willing to extensively help the new owner >> so don't include the word "all" in your "all advised". :wink:

Personally, a good family dog can be adopted from the shelter, rescue, pound.......

[Guest Anonymous]

why donot u adivise a GSD i think it is a lovely breed, or what else would u suggest

[bk_blue]

Hi Guest, I think what Hobbit is trying to say (correct me if I'm wrong) is that GSDs can require, as most large, dominant, energetic dogs do, a firm-handed owner who will take the time to train them (as you know they have a bad rep- not their fault though), socialise them, and exercise them so they don't get bored and destructive. I'm not saying you'll be like this, but there are a lot of first time dog owners who simply bite off more than they can chew purchasing a big, high-maitenance dog like a GSD, Dobermann, Rottweiler, heeler, don't train or exercise them, and then wonder why their backyard has been redesigned :roll:
If you are willing to put in the effort to do all these things (and it takes EFFORT!), then a GSD will be right for you. Otherwise have a think about getting something more manageable and right for your lifestyle. :) Have a look round the local shelters and you never know who might catch your eye, and you'll save a lovely animal from the needle. :angel:

[Guest Anonymous]

yes i got it, i will go to shelters and those places, i may really find any thing that might catch my eye, u gus are so right, then after a while i may the think of adding a GSD, i may not even, the one i will get now may be more than enough 8) .

[bk_blue]

yes K it crossed my mind but I am giving the benefit of the doubt. Roo et al will be able to tell us for sure, so until then I will be my usual nice self :P

[bk_blue]

Now now, grass is always greener on the other side isn't it!! I wish I had more chat balls like you! :D

[bk_blue]

Sorry but now I am confused... :-?

[bk_blue]

ah ok I get it now, I did read that earlier on but failed to connect it with your post :oops: Hope all turns out ok for your friend, how awful to lose your dog at what should be a joyous time of year. :cry:

[Guest Anonymous]

UNLIKE EVERYONE HERE I AM NOT GOING TO REAM YOU, YOU ARE ASKING ADVICE AND RATHER THEN HAVE YOU MAKE A HORRIBLE MISTAKE AND GO DO YOU OWN THING I WILL GIVE YOU AN UPFRONT ANSWER.

YOU DO NOT WANT A NEO, IF YOU WANT THE DOG AS A GUARD THEN YOUR PROBABLY GOIG TO WANT IT IN THE HOMW WITH YOU, NEOS ARE PROBABLY THE MESSIEST DOGS THERE ARE. HAVE YOU SEEN TURNER AND HOOCH? THAT IS A FRENCH MASTIFF, BUT THE WAY THAT DOG DROOLED WAS NOTHING COMPARED TO A NEO, SECONDLY THEY ARE A OVERLY AGRESSIVE DOG THAT HITS WIEGHTS IN EXCESS OF 200LBS REGULARLY, WHILE THAT DOES SOUND REALLY COOL, DO YOU WANT THAT LIABILITY ON YOUR HANDS?

SO THEN WE WOULD LOOK AT THE DANE. VERY INTIMIDATING AS FAR AS THE LOOK OF THE ANIMAL GOES AND A FEW DECADES AGO I WOULD HAVE HAD ONE MYSELF BUT THESE DAYS THE DANE IS NOT THE PILLAR OF STRENGTH AND TENACITY IT ONCE WAS NOW THEY HAVE BEEN BRED DOWN TO A LARGE HOUSE DOG. AS FAR AS THE LOOK THEY HAVE IT BUT IN THE EVENT OF AN ACTUAL BITE BEING MANDATED THEY MIGHT BALK. HOWEVER IF YOU GET A WELL BRED ONE ITS GOING TO COST YOU A PRETTY PENNY YOU MAY BE OKAY, BUT THESE HUGE MONSTERS HAVE A MANY LIFE PROBLEMS COMBINED WITH A SLOW TO MATURE RATIO AND A SHORT LIFE SPAN, BY THE TIME YOU GET THE DOG YOU ALWAYS WANTED IT WILL BE ABOUT TO DIE. NEXT!!!

ROTTIES ARE GREAT DOGS AND BORN PROTECTORS, LIKE THE NEO YOU NEED TO SOCIALIZE LIKE CRAY AND TEACH IT TO BE NICE AS OPPOSED TO THE DANE WITCH YOU HAVE TO TEAK TO BE MEAN. ROTTIES ARE LARGE STRONG AND IF NOT PROBERLY BRED NAD TRAINED YOU WILL BE ON THE NEWS TRYING TO KEEP YOU DOG FROM THE NEEDLE. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TREAT YOU LIKE YOU HAVE KILLER DOG AND YOU WILL RECIEVE STARES AND COMMENTS.

NOW WHAT I SUGGEST IF YOU JUST WANT A GUARD DOG GET A CHIHUAHUA THEY HAVE A HIGHER PROPESITY FOR BARKING THAN MOST BREEDS AND I HAVE YET TO MEET ONE THAT BACKS DOWN FROM ANYTHING, ONCE WHILE WALKING MY ROTT AND DOBIE I HAD TO CROSS THE STREET BECAUSE THIS LITTLE GUY WOULDNT MOVE!!!

THE BREED OF DOG YOU GET DOESNT MATTER BUT KNOW THIS THERE WILL BE LOTS OF TRAINING AND SOCIALIZAQTION INVOLVED AND IF YOU DONT BIG DOGS MAKE huge ERRORS AND COULD COST YOU A LOT MORE THAN JUST A DOG, JAIL TIME EVEN. SO WATCH YOURSELF EVALUATE YOUR SITUATION AND KNOW WHAT YOUR GETTING INTO

[alicat613]

Ooh I am sooo sick of people talking about breeds they don't know, passing themselves off as "experts" while spouting nonsense. Mastiffs, overly agressive? What? They are big giant sweeties. The giant breeds are my favorites, with their big hearts they have more love than all the little breeds combined! LOL ok ok that's just my opinion, my very very biased opinion.

NOT saying anyone should just get a giant dog cause they are loves, they require a LOT of time and training, because if you let them develop bad habits as a pup, you're in for BIG trouble when they are 200 lbs!

[Guest Anonymous]

1. I had no idea that all caps would constitute as shouting, a forth-right apology for that.

2. douges are commonly reffered to as the french mastiff, look it up.

3. neos arefrom the same stock as the roman dogs of war and were are are still used as a fighting breed, while i am sure that yours are very well behaved that is also the execption and not the rule. As i stated a lot of socializationa nd trainingis involved to have a dog that will act in that way. if he gets a neo and leaves it in the back the already aloof nature of the breed will DEFDIANTELY cause aggression and will DEFINATELY be a liability.

Lastly, ROTT'N'PITT is not derived from the APBTs name directly, it is a little nickname that is associated with a different board and posts.

aything else that you didnt understand? please i have all day long in which to clarify for you. By the way i posted as a guest because its my first time and wasnt sure of anyother way to do it.

[Guest Anonymous]

If there is one thing that I do know its dogs, I study all breeds all ages all sizes, all registries, I spend as much time as possible learning everything I can about dogs, they are a passion for me, WHile I dont breed them or sell Them I know as much if not more than the average breeder does, and because i dont have a particular breed that I favor I know about them all.

So until you know me and become familiar with me as an individual please dont comment on my competence or knowledge(or lack there of).

Thanks Hope to post with you ALL soon

ROTT'N'PITT

[Guest Anonymous]

that also explains why it didnt recognize my login at first, dont suppose i can change it though huh?

[Guest Anonymous]

I GOT IT!