The Neighbors...again

[eric]

I understand what I read, but I can only read what you write. Not having all the information or disagreeing is different than not comprehending.

It would seem that perhaps the inability to comprehend lay elsewhere, as at no time did I say that you are predisposed to curse and shout at people. What I gave you was sound advice on conflict resolution with neighbors, which I believe you were asking for in your original post. If you have no conflicts to resolve, than please disregard my advice.

I inferred that you were "upset" because of your liberal use of exclamation marks and your tendency to end sentences with several punctation marks.

If you neighbors are complaining because your dog is outside and it "might" bark, then they are clearly idiots and you should tell them to go away.

BTW, not officially disputing the fenceline can set precedence for ownership by "hostile possession", more commonly known as squatters' rights, whereby your neighbor can legally gain possession of part of your land after a number of years. The amount of time before "hostile possession" occurs varies from state to state (or province to province. Dismantling (or building) a fence which is not on your property may be considered an act of hostile possession depending on where you live. You may want to send them a registered letter and copy your lawyer.

But listen, good luck with your situation. And thanks for being patronizing. That was refreshing. I haven't been patronized since I got my masters in Mechanical Engineering. Luckily for me my debilitating inability to comprehend did not inhibit me graduating top of my class and starting my own successful company 4 years ago.

[quote name='corgilady']

Eric, I dont think you have good reading comprehension skills, but I will try to bear with you. I do not use curse words or shout at people, so there is not really a chance I will scream at anyone over their garbage. The other neighbors have confronted them, and have called the city on them, and it didn't do any good. :roll: I am not "upset", just annoyed by their behavoir, so I cannot forsee any "escalation". I am glad for you that you were able to resolve your problem, but I believe that your situation with a bulldozer is a little more concrete than my situation with a dog that "might bark" at "any time of day we might choose to put our kids in bed" in a town that DOES NOT HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE. I am not the sort of person who would use revenge, that is exactly my point, that I have tried to be as kind as possible... when the city worker came to me and asked if I had a problem with their hedges being overgrown (yet another complaint that got called in) I even took their side. I talked to them about it, and assured them it was NOT ME who kept complaining (they may think it is, but it isn't), and that I thought their hedges were fine, and that the most important thing was for everyone to get along.


As far as the dog being outside "unsupervised", as you call it, he is allowed in the back yard, which is fenced, or walked on a leash. When I say "he is out for one hour", that is one hour TOTAL in a day ( a24 hour period) which could mean a few 15 minute visits or even less than that, depending. AS it has been raining for months, and the ground is very soggy, it is usuallly quite a bit less than that. HOWEVER, may I say that I feel the dog has as much right to live here as anyone else! and he should not have to be inside all the time because... he "might" bark!
There are 3 dogs immediately behind us, which would be within 60 feet of the back of my house and the one beside me, that start barking at 5:30 a.m. and are often still going at 11. I also have 2 other dogs, who occasionally bark, and these people have not said a word about them. That is why I am so curious about this one complaint. Also, each day between 6 and 14 times ambulances, fire trucks, and police cars roar down the street... These "babies" who need all this sleep SURELY would wake up to that! ....kids come to the front of our houses to use the crosswalk, screaming up & down the street to each other... Also there is lots of other loud traffic, and a factory whistle that blows, and a train. So I feel that the barking pales by comparison!

Bullygirl probably has the gist of the problem in a nutshell:

i've dealt w/ unhappy people before and here's the deal nothing you do will make them happy. That's what makes them happy being miserable

[corgilady]

Mary's Mama napisał(a):

from what I have read it doesn't seem to be about the dog at all. Just like bullygirl said, this man craves chaos. So I would kill them with kindness. By their kids an inexpensive christmas gift. As for your dog, do what you feel best, if you know he doesn't bark than ignore your neighbor. It seems as though he is feeding off of the situation.

LOL .... that's what I was thinking! Christmas gifts! :lol:

Whaddaya think, guys? Should I copy eric all my little initials?....nahhh. Too much fun! :lol:

[gooeydog]

911 is for emergencies, and this situation, while extremely annoying for Corgilady, is definitely not an emergency.

[mcobbin]

i know!!! i know!!! :o i'm REALLY late on this one, but it doesn't sound like your situation would change in a couple of weeks!! just a funny story...and i can sympathize. i had a chow mix named bailey that i got from the shelter in jonesboro when i first moved here. i don't know what happened to him during his life, but he barked every second that he was outside. not just barking...high-pitched someone-please-tear-out-my-eardrums- yipping. when he was indoors though, not a peep. i only let him out for an hour a day on a runline, and i had two of the crabbiest old codgers in the history of youth hating history living right next door. and i couldn't even mow my lawn without him coming over to tell me how the next time bailey even peeped, he was calling the police and filing a noise ordinance on me. well, i thought the old fart was just a blowhard, but the day finally came, (incidentally, bailey hadn't even been out yet, and hadn't been barking). anyway, the police showed up, their cocky little blue lights blaring in my window. so they said "ma'am, your neighbor here's called us about the noise pollution from your dog" i said, well, aside from having his vocal cords removed, there's not a lot i can do, i just got him, and he hasn't adjusted, and i just started training him." then the police officer said "well, we realize that it's not you, it's your dog." so i said "so, really BAILEY is the one in trouble?!?! "Yes ma'am, i suppose so"....so i told the cop that he could cuff bailey and take him downtown, but that he'd be hard to pawprint, and i wouldn't post bail!!!" he smiled, went to the neighbor, who consequently had been staring greedily out of his window the whole time to personally witness me get in trouble. cop told old man to leave me alone, and save the phone calls to the Police department for real emergancies!!! never had anymore trouble!!

you could always get your neighbor in trouble for fraudulently attempting to claim part of your property...you know that once a fence line is made, even if you own the land it has been placed on, if you let it remain there for a certain number of years, your neighbor could claim that little sliver of land by default? at least that can happen in ark.!!

[Hobbit]

eric napisał(a):

But listen, good luck with your situation. And thanks for being patronizing. That was refreshing. I haven't been patronized since I got my masters in Mechanical Engineering. Luckily for me my debilitating inability to comprehend did not inhibit me graduating top of my class and starting my own successful company 4 years ago.

Eric, there is absolutely no need for sarcasm and was uncalled for. By your posts, it is obvious that you are an educated person. By this comment, it is obvious that you are lacking in some people skills.

I have people skills, but I'm at the age where I don't care anymore. Being nice gets a person no where because it is a sign of weakness to some and an invitation to abuse mentally, verbally and/or physically.

[Hobbit]

Corgilady --

BREATHE....take a minute to reflect.

The removal of the fence is a civil matter, not a police matter - because it is not a criminal act. The statue of limitations may not have expired. If you chose to press the issue, please contact small claims court.

It really is a sad state of the mind, when a person thinks that they have no rights because of fear. Fear being if they exercise their rights as a person, the other person that is trying to take their rights will retaliate.

Corg - men seem to think that they are the supreme being and will talk to a woman as they please. If you were a man, I guarantee this male neighbor would not be talking to you in this manner. Being nice, sometimes will get you NO WHERE. To men, this is a sign of weakness and opens the door to a long period of verbal abuse and mental abuse. HE is now under the impression that you are such a nice person and that he has you intimated. He will continue to demand things of you that are not within the scope of your right of leading a happy life.

By all means, do not ignore this. This is my personal opinion, because I am this kind of person.

First I would contact the police department, have an officer come to your house and file an "Incident" report. Include any threats or any comments that eluded to threats.

I would write him a certified-return receipt signature letter requesting that he pay for the cost of the new fence that you installed, plus labor. I would send a copy to my attorney. If you don't have, find one. Include the boundary line. Give him 10 days to respond in writing. DO NOT verbally talk to him about this. If he catchs you in the yard, tell him he needs to contact your attorney and WALK AWAY. You must be willing to follow thru. People as this are pretty sure that they are above the law, because they have gotten away with their arrogant attitude and abusive nature. If he fails to respond within 10 ten days, file on him in small claims court and make sure that you also add in your request, the cost of the fence, the cost of filing with small claims court and that if you win and he appeals that HE will pay all subsequent court costs and an attorney of YOUR choice (for you).

If your city does not have a litter ordinance, state law should. Start taking pictures of HIS trash blowing from his yard into yours and the street. You could pick up all his trash and deposit it BACK onto his yard, front porch, unlocked vehicle (haha), garage, without him seeing you. Of course, if it were me...I'd blazingly pick it up in front of him and throw it back into his yard --- that's me, tho.

By all means, be firm. NOT nice, firm. It could go either way: a continual Pi$$ing match or he could think that you are not going to be pushed around by the arrogant man.


I thought one of the points of having a fenced yard, on the place that YOU own (or rent), that is your sanctuary, your domain, is so your dog could have a safe place in which to play -- unsupervised, if necessary. I'm not talking about just letting them run amuck and do as they please.

If we all lived in a perfect neighborhood, with perfect dogs, perfect neighbors, perfect job, perfect education (although, some of us think we do), then........this would be perfect. It's not. A dog does not need 24/7 supervision. If a person thinks it does....they are a control freak.

[Hobbit]

Actually, now that I think about it.....if he REMOVED the fence, it could actually be theft (depending on the cost of the original fence -- could be a felony).


An offense of "Destruction of private property", also.

[wildbunch]

I have to agree with Hobbit. I have never had a problem with neighbors as my dogs are not vocal. Now their dogs are another story. I think in our neighborhood basically everyone understands that dogs will be dogs. Dogs bark! Life is just too short for petty differences, give this guy what he deserves Corgi. He deserves a good, swift kick in the a**. I usually don't like to be involved in arguments either Corgi, but when it comes to my dogs I'm a different person. You've tried being nice and you've tried to cater to his concerns. Obviously he's the kind of person that will keep at you.
Please let us know how it's going.

[Bensam]

Neighbours! Who'd have 'em? Used to live on 10 acres with the house in the middle, that was bliss. Sounds as if you are going to have to fight this one to the bitter end :x
Just a bit on my neighbour, the one with the poor girl. Well, yesterday the wife tells me the girl is in pup again!! (She is 9yo) Dug out of the tin yard and went visiting a Great Dane up the road, GD owner rang and told them to come and get her. So pups due mid-February, neighbours booked to go to Tasmania on 8th March, so will drown the pups at birth.
I mentioned spaying AGAIN, but "too expensive" :evilbat:
They are now on the internet, interesting if they find the Dogo site. :o

[corgilady]

Hobbit,
Thanks for your post! Maybe I will print it out and frame it! :wink:

You're right about the male perspective on my niceness. Didn't do me a bit of good! (all that tongue biting for nothing!)

I thought one of the points of having a fenced yard, on the place that YOU own (or rent), that is your sanctuary, your domain, is so your dog could have a safe place in which to play -- unsupervised, if necessary. I'm not talking about just letting them run amuck and do as they please.

That was exactly what I thought.... I own the house, I own the yard, the dogs LIVE HERE....and they can't walk freely in the yard !?!

Interestingly enough, his (or her) mother is now here visitng for 2 weeks. She stands out back and smokes. She LOVES Koda and laughs her head off at his antics....he IS pretty funny, and he never stops his mischief for a second. I'm wondering if he will change his attitude, since mommy likes the dog so much. She hollered over at me and pointed to the trash, which is covering about 1/2 of their back yard at this point, and said, "they missed the trash man!" I didn't have the heart to tell her they have both been home and "missed" him for the past month. I didn't even point out the lids for the cans :wink: which would do better ON them than laying on the ground.

I am deciding which route to pursue. My attorney happens to be the best in town. Right now I am still keeping Koda in most of the time, which is making him insane. I let the Corgis out for 2 or 3 hours per day (they don't bark, or if they do I immediately call them in).

To all of you who wrote encouraging words: THANKS!!!! for being supportive! :D I really appreciate you!