question everyone

[ShadyLady]

Hey was just wondering what everyone thinks of breeders that breed more than one breed of dog ? I asked this question in another question but am really interested in everyones opinion :o My thoughts are that with the dedication it takes to breed up a really good line how can someone who has more than one breed not come out looking like someone who is just trying to make money (even though we know if done with the dogs best interest you dont make money) Hope my ramblings make sense :lol:

[bk_blue]

I think it IS possible to breed more than one breed of dog and do it well... it would maybe help if they were in the same category with the same basic drives eg. kelpies and heelers (herding), pointers and weims (hunting) etc. but I guess like any irresponsible "breeder" you can stuff up with one breed and taking on two or more is asking for trouble if you can't even get one right, not that this stops some stupid people though. :evil:

[Guest roo]

That is an interesting question :lol:
I think it all really depends on the breeder, :-?
There is a breeder in this country that breeds and shows 4 breeds
and is the top breeder, with the top dogs, etc in three of them.
Her bloodlines are world famous and she does the job very well. 8)
But, then you have the backyard breeder, the puppy miller etc. :x
I have two breeds, they are totally different, but i maintain an interest
in both.
Then there is the breeder who breeds and showns successfully in a breed,
but has a few other breeds to bring the money in. :o
as i said in the begining it all depends on the breeder :-?

[Guest Anonymous]

I agree, I think it depends on the breeder. I have waited most of my life to find "my" breed, still haven't. I've had big dreams of my own kennel, being an owner/breeder/handler and judge. It's been over 20 years, I give up! I like dogs for sooo many reasons and they are all sooo different. I couldn't possibly pick one breed. I don't breed...but I can see how breeders may have a hard time choosing.

Connie

[Guest Anonymous]

I get a little iffy when I see people breeding more than 2, BUT, that is because of all of the puppy mill stuff I have learned.

I know there are plenty of breeders out there with more than 1 breed that do a wonderful job. I just haven't met them! :lol:

There could easily be a few on this forum that I don't know about.

[Guest Anonymous]

Yes, K....I agree. If I had the time and resources, I could see having more than one breed. If you have the house, the yard, the KNOWLEDGE, and the MONEY.....

AND if you had a decent sense of what is right and what is wrong....

[Ickle]

I have 3 breeds but only breed when I want something myself
Have bred champions in 2 breeds & am fortunate to own 1 in my other breed,
Do not believe in breeding just to make money as my dogs are family and I have not bred a litter of any type for three years.
Being head of a rescue I have seen first hand what harm puppy farmers (mills) can do.
Please do not put people down for owning more than one breed we are not all bad folks, Some of us just love dogs.

[Guest Anonymous]

[quote name='K']Oh we would never put people down for owning more than one breed most of us here do..but we would disagree with having 3 or 4 simply to always have "puppies on the ground" :(

Do you believe that if you breed a certain breed of dog you should also be prepared to rescue/foster/help to re-home that breed too?....I do..and I would...

OH YES! I agree hole heartedly! When we had our litter, I STRESSED that if the pup didn't work out to PLEASE call me FIRST! I will take the pup back and rehome....I'd keep it if my dogs wouldn't wanna fight it...

[Bensam]

I had answered this in the original post (Breeds, Teacup Heelers) and wont repeat the whole thing again. Roo, we have some here in Aussie doing the same thing. They give the appearance that puppy sales are all important. There are also some who breed consistantly for the overseas market. You only have to look at the export certificates issued to whom and where and from which breeder. These people mostly have numerous breeds. Had looked through some working dogs studs and now through some working gundog stud sites and they appear to have only one breed. The interesting place to look is in the 'for sale' ads. in the paper or on the net.
Ickle, congratulations. There's nothing like that first homebred Champion. Had a grin on my face for days when my first homebred title came up. 3 years since your last litter, don't think you qualify as a puppy mill :lol:
Looking at the posts, I think we are talking to the converted here. In my opinion anyone who breeds 3 or more different breeds has to be borderline. That's a lot of pups on the ground over a year. We are talking BREEDING here, NOT owning.
This is not said to upset anyone here, just my opinion, and discussion on this topic would be interesting, lets hear from both sides.

[Hobbit]

Speaking of NUMEROUS puppies per year:
You guys from Australia familar with the "Noonbarra Kelpie Stud" in Australia. Here is their link: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~kelpies/
and http://www.noonbarra.com/

If you are familar, have you ever visited them? Seen their operation? Know anything about them---your opinion< i guess is what I'm trying to say?

[bk_blue]

Sorry Hobbit I can't help you BUT... if you want to post that question on an Australian dog forum they might be able to help you... www.dogzonline.com.au

I did have a look at the site.... oh I wish I had a farm so I could have a kelpie... :)

[Bensam]

They are a good distance from me, but I have a son living close to their area, I will email him, he may know them, everyone knows everyone in the country :lol: Looked at their site, they appear very well set up, lovely looking kennels, I imagine they have quite a number of bitches, so 50 pups a year is maybe not excessive, average of 5 pups per litter, particularly as they appears to have a wide market for them. And they have only the one breed!

[ShadyLady]

Had a bit of a look at the web site and some of the bloodlines go back to good well known kelpies (cant say Ive seen them work but i have seen some of their offspring trial ) Futura Ned has a few babies competing and Scanlons line is widely known and admired in kelpie breeders being from a different state though Ive never seen their dogs .I reckon Ive got a picture (not developed yet ) of one of neds babies.
As for the breeders question I personally would find it hard to cope with more than one breed . The only reason I breed is supply myself and improve the breed if I did not have this obsession with my koolies I would not feel the need to breed at all . Just my thoughs anyway Hobbit you have more than one breed what are your thoughts? :o

[Hobbit]

Some of our Kelpies carry Scanlon's Butch in their bloodline, as well as other famous working lines.

We have Kelpies as well as Australian Cattle Dogs that are our main working dogs. We don't cross the two breeds. They each have their purpose and function (both work and are companions). The black/tan is a dominant color; so it would be obvious to tell if an ACD (blue) had been bred to a Kelpie (the pups would be colored like a Kelpie).

The Anatolians are used to deter the coyotes from coming in and near the yard around the house and barns. They are not bred and neither are the three Border Collies.

I get concerned when someone has 15 different breeds! :o

It all boils down to ethics and knowledge.

[ShadyLady]

Yes I can see it from your point of veiw I guess Im just crazy about my koolies dont get me wrong I like all dogs but the day I met my first koolie I was hooked and am totally one eyed . Weve just started to get the register organized and up and running what a job :o Im trying to limite it to entering 50 dogs a night !! We will be having our first mock trial sheep day soon cant wait

[Aroura]

50 pups a year is alot! :o But, they do look like they know what they're doing and "seem" to be reputable breeders. Of course I can't judge that, not unless I were to go there and check it out for myself.
By the sounds of it they keep in touch with many of the people who buy their pups and strive for good bloodlines.
Also, when you consider how many farms are in Australia and how many of those farmers need however many dogs, I'm sure the demands are high for these pups.

[Ickle]

Hi Bensam
I totally agree people should be prepared to help their breeds in whatever way they can,It amazes me how many folks pay lip service to the rescue etc but shy away when practical help is needed Shame on them
I do remenber my first champion very well as it was at Crufts in 86 when he got his title.did not come down for weeks.as you say there is nothing quite like a homebred champion
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Ickle

[mouseatthebusstop]

:D I will never breed. Best To leave it to those who do. Not back yard breeders. I can not see anything wrong with breeding two different breeds it is just the same as having two bitches of the same breed.

[Guest Anonymous]

I know I personally could not breed more than one breed. I devote so much of my time to researching and memorizing not only pedigrees, but the history of every dog I can find in my girls pedigrees.....there is not enough room in my memory banks for another breed! I believe in the "jack of all trades master of none" theory. I would rather know everything there is to know about my chosen breed, character traits, genetic problems, which lines have what lurking...etc. But as others have said, it depends on the individual....I am sure there are smarter people than me who can manage all the relevant info on more than one breed. I haven't bred a litter in 2 years but will bred both my girls next year. I've spent those two years researching who they should be bred to....calling people who have bred to the studs I had in mind....calling breeders to see how crossings of each particular bloodline turned out. During the course I found out that several breedings between one of my girls lines with a stud's lines that I loved produced nothing but very nice pets. Since I am breeding to produce something for me to show, I had to rule that stud out. Well, I got off track somewhere so I'll hush now.

Later,
Trinity

[Rowie-the-Pooh]

Ok Koolie, call me stuuuuuuuuuuupid, BUT what is a Koolie? :oops: :oops: :oops:

Is it a nick name for the breed or??

Hehe... :oops: (I can see you smirking!)

[bk_blue]

Hi Rowie, a koolie is a type of (mainly) working/herding dog used in Australia. They're not very well known, not even here, so no wonder you haven't heard of them!
this link has some info
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/koolie.htm

or you could PM working koolie, she will be more than happy to help you out :)

[ShadyLady]

Rowie koolie is the actual name of my breed sometimes they are known as german coolies (although they are not german) they are an Australia breed believe to be descendants of a merle colored border collie its also alledged that the Aussie Sheperd is a descendant of koolies . There are records dating back for 180 yrs mentioning the breed in Australia but is it still not well known in Australia . It is believed that the german immigrants were fond of this breed (or strain) and that is how they became known as german coolies and the coolie part is thought to come from the heavy german accent actually meaning collie a german friend of mine confirms that is what it would sound like so this is my theory about them . A description of them is medium size generally merle colored (although there are solids ) quite often with one or two blue eyes their coats are generally short although you will find some with medium /long coats they are not favoured by farmers as the coat is a pain in the neck :x

Hers one of my babies Mate doing his thing !! he was only 10 months old in this photo