Would YOU chain your dog up?

[Shannon_C]

I cannot immagine what the poor girl must have gone through. I don't know how she as survived, its terrible. How can someone allow anything so cruel to happen to such lovely innocent animals!
It's beyond me it really is, putting that evil man in jail for that length of time is not enough....he should have life! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: they all are :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: You cannot put it into words of how you feel about these sick b*******, cowards.

[Aroura]

FORGET JAIL, CHAIN THE BASTARD TO A POLE FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE AND SEE HOW HE LIKES IT! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :x
I can't beleive anyone could be so cruel! :cry: Those pictures made me cry, what I would do to see whoever did that to her have the same punishment put on himself!

Anyway, *trying to block out horrid images*... back to an earlier post...

bout it napisał(a):

my dog is an escape artists, ive got to put a collar on plus a harness an attach them both together.so for some of us "it's a must" :

How does he escape? There's ways around it, my dog, Tessa is also an escape artist... but seeing as I don't know where I'll be living in 2 months there's no point in making the fence higher all around (its a big yard), so instead we keep her inside. A day never goes by that she doesn't go for a long walk either. Saying that it is a "must" because the dog is an escape artist is an easy way out of fixing the problem... I don't know your circumstances but isn't there anything you can do to save your dog from spending its life on a chain?

[Guest Anonymous]

I don't think there is anything wrong with certain types of dogs being chained for most of there life. Hunting and herding dogs, for example, have to be chained up or they will trail or herd all day and night. Now a little poodle is a different story. I don't think chaining dog's is cruel at all if done right. I think alot of you guys put too much of your HUMAN feelings into your dog, which isn't bad. A dog on a 10' chain has more room to run than one in a 6' x 12' kennel. Also, if you use the right equipment to set a dog's chain up right it won't get itself twisted up. You have to be a responsible owner, and use common sense, like adjusting the dog's collar as it grows, give him shelter, and keep him as secure as possible(they now have collars w/ locks on them). I have also heard this crap about chained dogs are more aggressive. This is just media hype and I don't buy it for a second. Chaining a dog up is just like crate training a dog, of course they don't like it at first, but then they get used to it, and they don't mind at all. Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
-Johnny

[Guest Anonymous]

I, with all due respect, think chaining hunting and herding dogs all their life would be a huge mistake. No dog--no matter the breed--should be chained for life. Walks or no walks, it's sad. Chaining to let them go potty or for a little while won't hurt, but living on a chain? No way! Just like when my neighbor (when I was a child) chained her husky for life. That was heck to be a child, unable to save that poor dog. That dog was miserable. Dogs may not be human, but they can suffer just the same.

Connie

[bk_blue]

:o It is not necessary to chain herding or hunting dogs up for most of their lives... not if you have a secure yard or area where they can stay. It's just as bad to chain a Kelpie up as it is to chain a Cairn Terrier up; both need exercise and companionship and are not going to get it sitting on the end of a rope for the rest of their lives. My great grandfather and his father bred Pointers for hunting and they were not chained nor were they kennelled (except to sleep), they had the run of a fairly large backyard and were taken out regularly to be used as gundogs. These dogs were by all accounts excellent hunters and great with children and other dogs; there are numerous photos of my father, as a toddler, sitting and playing with the dogs.
I have no experience with chaining dogs but would imagine it would cause fear aggression; a chained dog is at the mercy of whoever comes along, be that humans or other animals... and not always friendly ones. Certainly aggression can occur in any situation but chaining does not do anything to help the situation. There are many horror stories about chaining that other forum members will no doubt fill you in on.

Johnny, what is your personal experience with your dogs, if you have them?

[Guest Anonymous]

PS Dog kennels and crates can be misused, but at least the dog is safer. My dogs are crated in large ex-pens (in the house) to house break, afterwards they are free roaming in the house. There's nothing wrong with chains, crates, or kennels UNLESS they are misused.

Connie

[Guest Anonymous]

Whew those pictures of poor Sunny were more than I could bare....I just cannot imagine how much pain this sweet girl must have been in. I so hope she has nothing but bright sunny days for the rest of hers!

Johnny, no type of dog no matter what its breed should be chained up for "most of its life". Crate training is vastly different from being chained up. Crate trained dogs are living in the house as a part of the family, not outside ostracized from love and warmth. My dogs sleep in our bed and go lay in their crates (the doors of which are always open) when they wish to be alone (which for Springers is not much). To me crates are for housebreaking and to give the dog safe space of their own. I doubt you see any dogs begging to be put outside and chained up, but if I am vacuuming and a crate door gets shut, one of my girls will paw at it to open so she can get away from the dread beast she considers the vacuum to be.

Yes I put human emotions and feelings into my dogs.....normal people do. Dogs are the only members of our family that we get to choose (with the exception of spouses, and the jury is still out on that one). And I don't know about you, but I love and respect all member of my family no matter how many legs they have....as the pictures of Sunny so graphically show, we should ALL put human emotion into our 4-legged loved ones...God knows her life would have been better if she had had a human owner.

Later,
Trinity

[gooeydog]

Johnny napisał(a):

keep him as secure as possible(they now have collars w/ locks on them).

And how long does it take for a dog thief to cut through the collar and walk off with the dog? Not to mention the health problems that can occur from having the weight of the lock on the dog's neck. A dog on a chain (even if it is locked onto it) is a much easier target than a dog in a house, secure kennel, or (in some cases) fenced yard.

[Aroura]

Johnny, the message that I am getting from your post is that some dogs have feelings, others don't. Also that some dogs have a right to freedom and a good lifestyle while others can just sit on the end of a chain their whole life simply because they were born as a certain breed. If they were humans, wouldn't that be called racism? The world is full of doggie hitlers that beleive certain dogs should be chained up while others brought inside and loved.
Sure alot of people with working dogs do leave their dogs chained up all day every day, but this doesn't mean its right.
Also, whether you want to believe it or not, it has been a proven fact that dogs on a chain are 10 times more likely to bite, though this may be partly due to the kind of owners who chain their dogs.

[Hobbit]

[quote name='Johnny']I don't think there is anything wrong with certain types of dogs being chained for most of there life. Hunting and herding dogs, for example, have to be chained up or they will trail or herd all day and night.

We have herding dogs (Australian Kelpies and Australian Cattle Dogs) that are NEVER chained up. If we are outside they are out with us. When we work the livestock, they are working. When they are at their leisure, some are in the house or in their pen. Their pens are 16 X 16, some are 20 X 20 and some are 32 X 42.


I have also heard this crap about chained dogs are more aggressive. This is just media hype and I don't buy it for a second. Chaining a dog up is just like crate training a dog, of course they don't like it at first, but then they get used to it, and they don't mind at all. Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
-Johnny


When a dog is chained up and when approached his fight or flight response kicks in.....he has NO where to go because he can't flee, so he shows fear aggression. This fear aggression is mistaken for "bad a$$ dog", or "an aggressive" dog, when if fact the dog is afraid. Over time, his confidence with build and he could become an aggressive dog without the fear factor. Believe it if you want, don't believe it --- that is okay with me, but it's a fact.

[corgilady]

You know, I was going to let this pass without comment, but I have changed my mind.

There are too many people who listen to rumor and too much of the time the rumors are borne by idiots.

Consider the statement, "Hunting and herding dogs, for example, have to be chained up or they will trail or herd all day and night. "
Now where in the world did someone get that idea???? This puts me in mind of a fellow I went out with 2 wks ago. :evilbat: He was telling me how to get my dog to walk better on a leash (take a choke chain, and jerk the he** out of him a few times, which 'YOU>>BEING A WOMAN' cannot do). I was striving to be polite, even as I seethed. So I tried to turn the topic to the dog's favorite games. He said, if he likes to fetch then he is most certainly NOT a border collie.Well, he is a border collie. And he DOES like to play fetch. He told me a few more of these hillbilly, backwoods, ignorant statements. Australian shepherds are mean and crazy. Border collies are one-owner dogs and will bite anyone else. WElsh corgis are NOT HERDING DOGS. :roll: :roll: :roll: He raises aust. shepherds and .... something else. Dobermans, maybe.

None of these people have ever opened a book about the breed. They have not attended any activities involving KNOWLEDGEABLE owners (shows, herding trials, etc.). Yet they spout their supposed "expert knowledge" right and left. I am sick of it. I am sick of people chaining their dogs, tying their dogs, abusing/neglecting their dogs. AND I AM SICK OF PEOPLE TELLING ME MY CORGIS ARE BABY SHELTIES!!!!!!!!!!

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There. rant is now over. can you tell I don't do well with holidays??? While I am mad, i am going to get help for that chow. The temp was 20 degrees fahrenheit last nite. I can't imagine how that cold concrete felt all night.

and don't anybody get upset over the hillbilly comment....ah speek southerne ("southerun") drawl jest as good as enny uv em, ah am as hillbilly as they come.

[Hobbit]

SHELTIE?!? OMG --- ignorance breeds ignorance. More humans SHOULD be neutered & spayed >>> stop the breeding of ignorance.

Oh, yeah, I CAN see that the Sheltie looks just LIKE a Corgis and vice-versa. Where is that head smacking emoticon!?

[corgilady]

:lol: :lol: I kissed 'em, Mei-mei....wonder why they growled??? all I said was here shelties, a kiss from mei-mei......

[Shannon_C]

Chaining a dog up is just like crate training a dog, of course they don't like it at first, but then they get used to it, and they don't mind at all. Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
-Johnny[/quote]

Johnny you must realise that chaining a dog up for the rest of its life is not right and is totally different from being in a crate for a few hours everyday. With a cage the dog is chain and collar free (i say this about the collars with tags attached because dogs can get caught up in the bars which is very dangerous if the dog were to panic...so please everyone with crated dogs.....take your dogs collar off before you put him/her in the cage!
BACK TO CHAINS also the dog as somewhere dry and warm as well as draft and noise free in the home. When the dog is tied up on the chain outside...it as to wear the collar with the chain/rope hanging off it day in day out for the rest of its life which doesn't do the dogs neck any good....and besides the dog isn't always going to toilet in the same place is he ? so therefore the chain as well as the dog will get covered in ecrement and then the dog is soon to be covered in sores from the urine.

As for aggression sooner or later that dog is going to show fear for the amount of time it is kept chained up.....dogs like to be free to roam on there land, do there own thing, and if allowed too they become a delight to have around people and other animals. Have you noticed that when your out with your dog who is running free....a person comes along with theres on the lead who is pulling and being snappy.....this is because that dog wants freedom to run round and play with other dogs. If he as been bought up to not fear people and animals around it...why keep him on a lead ? All my free are allowed to have free exercise, including the Bullmastiff who loves playing with other dogs small and large.....he is very gentle with them. (isn't that how people should be).

[corgilady]

:lol: :lol: :lol: aren't they, though!!!

[Guest Anonymous]

My first/best friend (Adrian) was killed by our neighbor's chained dog when he and I were only five years old. The dog broke the heavy chain, took off running, tangled around him, took off again, my friend fell on the road, died on the way to the hospital. His parents sued the heck out of the owners. I don't like talking about it, but maybe it will make someone reconsider chaining their dog(s) "for life". BTW, he was a hunting dog...really hunted...a Basset Hound.

Connie

[bk_blue]

That's awful. What a horrible thing to happen to everyone involved. :x

[Guest Anonymous]

Sorry folks, but I chain my dogs- it's been my experience with northern breeds that they detest being kenneled as they will pace endlessly, and try to chew their way out of a kennel causing serious injury to their mouths. If anyone has seen captive wolves they'll do the same thing. As far as exercise, we are currently running about 125 miles a week and I spend at least 8 hours a day in direct contact with my dogs. (I currently have 12, and one 4 lb Pomeranian!) And yes I agree- to see a "family pet" simply chained up alone is a pathetic sight.

[Hobbit]

[quote name='Pumpkin the musher']Sorry folks, but I chain my dogs- it's been my experience with northern breeds that they detest being kenneled as they will pace endlessly, and try to chew their way out of a kennel causing serious injury to their mouths. If anyone has seen captive wolves they'll do the same thing. As far as exercise, we are currently running about 125 miles a week and I spend at least 8 hours a day in direct contact with my dogs. (I currently have 12, and one 4 lb Pomeranian!) And yes I agree- to see a "family pet" simply chained up alone is a pathetic sight.


Is the Pom your lead dog?? :lol: :lol: (hope you know that I'm kidding)

[Guest Anonymous]

Fortunately or unfortunately, she is the "lead dog!!" She is my second Pom, the first died at 11 of Lymphoma late last spring and I just could not handle not having one of the little mites around. They are truely a big dog in a little dog body, and their temperment is strikingly similar to their distant sled dog ancestors. The "big dogs" respect her presence and she can run around the dog yard at will . A bit more on the chaining issue- our dog yard is set up so that no one dog is isolated from the "pack"- it took some serious work with the measuring tape, but they are close enough to socialize but not get tangled up. They also have a quarter acre enclosure that surrounds the yard-mostly to keep out the neighbourhood"family pets" that are allowed to run free. During the summer and on days that I don't train, the whole group is allowed to run in the pen for a few hours, (provided none of the girls are in heat).

[corgilady]

:lol: Dynamite comes in small packaages, y'know!!!

Musher, I think it's pretty obvious that YOU aren't really doing the type of chaining up that we see as typical....around here, a dog "chained up" is also a dog neglected, who can't reach his water, or can't get in out of the rain, has no socialization....etc. Yours are cared for!

[Guest Anonymous]

Sadly, my Hazel has been chained up a lot. :cry: I don't feel it's right at all, but she's aggressive. We do have 5 acrs, which I HATE keeping from her. I take her out often, and have had her fenced before, but she ALWAYS finds a way out. I am teaching her to behave in the house right now. That's been helping a LOT! I don't have to chain her up unless she's eating her RMBs (Raw Meaty Bones, my dog's on the BARF diet). We didnt' have her tied up for about a year of her life, until we almost got in a LOT of legal trouble with a woman down the road who jogs each morning. Apparently, Hazel had been chasing and biting her every time she jogged by.
I feel a run would be okay, deffenetly not as bad as a chain.
Can your dog come in the House at ALL? Even if the dog was clean? Regular brushing helps.
If your dog is getting enough exersize, playtime, socholization, and training, it shouldn't be too big of a deal to tie up the dog. I do realize that you probably want some spare time to yourself, but do realize a dog tied up isn't always bad. As long as the dog has propper space, a place to relieve himself, food, and shelter, it's not like he's being beaten. If you love your dog, he won't be on the chain that often anyway! You'll be out playing, training, walking etc.