Attack dogs

[Guest Anonymous]

I talked it over with my wife and she stills wants to keep the dog.
The dog stops Attacking if you say "Back Down" or so the "Breeder"says.

I told my wife this dog is going to be huge. She said if we give the dog back he could sell him again. I dont know what to do! I like the dog and all but I want my family to be safe!

The dog stays outside in a 9 feet tall fence.
I talked to a Fila breeder who said he will tain me to take care of the dog right.

[Dad4duchess]

"K" napisał(a):

[quote name='Jeff']
The dog stops Attacking if you say "Back Down" or so the "Breeder"says.

I told my wife this dog is going to be huge.

The dog stays outside in a 9 feet tall fence.

Jeff you could get there 1 minute too late for a "Back Down" command to be of any use! and also he is not trained for YOU to handle he is responsive to someone else what if your "back down" command means nothing to him...when will he stop the attack?when he feels like it?..when he is exhausted?..both take a long time with a dog!!



Your taking a really big chance :-?

[Guest Anonymous]

The kennel that is going to help me is called : The large K-9 Kennel.

So far the dog has listened to everything I said.
My wife says that if we give the dog back or away, it could end up in a really bad home and the dog could turn into a monster.

I like the dog and all but I want my family to be safe.

[Guest Anonymous]

The dog is 9 months old.

[Guest Anonymous]

I do not believe you can fully train, by fully train I mean fine tune everything, a dog by the age of 9 months. This dog is still a pup in alot of ways and learning would be on of them.

[Guest Anonymous]

So far the dog has listened to everything I said.
My wife says that if we give the dog back or away, it could end up in a really bad home and the dog could turn into a monster

The dog may have listened to you up to this point, but what happens if he really is ATTACKING someone...is he going to listen to you then? Or will he completely tune you out and do what he was trained to do? And maybe your wife should think about the dog turning into a monster in your own home? God forbid anything should happen to you, your wife or your child..what then? It must be very difficult to give up any dog no matter how long they have been a part of the family, but if the dog creates what could possibly be a very dangerous situation, why would you even risk it? You might want to look into a more family friendly breed in which you can take part in the training process. This way there is no question as to what commands this dog understands. And if protecting your house and your family is one of the reasons for you getting a dog, why not enroll the dog and yourself in a perimeter training course. So when someone comes near the house, the dog will bark instead of attacking. A friend of mine did this with her Rottie (Damien). Damien was an extremely gentle dog, but he knew that he needed to alert my friend and her husband anytime someone came in the yard or to the door.

[Guest Anonymous]

I thought I'd asked some really important questions of Jeff - did the so-called trainer give you and your wife training with this dog? What was the reason your wife needed specifically and attack dog?, etc. None of these was ever answered. I'm thinking an on going troll, as in large k-9 kennel

[Guest Anonymous]

my wife did go though some training,but not from the person she brought the dog from.
She thought we needed the dog, becouse of our neighbors.

[Guest Anonymous]

Jeff napisał(a):

The kennel that is going to help me is called : The large K-9 Kennel.
So far the dog has listened to everything I said.
My wife says that if we give the dog back or away, it could end up in a really bad home and the dog could turn into a monster.

Okay if the dog bites someone or attacks it will be put down. You could find a good home before this happens. I thing the dog is able to attack but I do not feel the dog is trained to call off yet. I do not feel ALL of his training is done.. Do I feel your wife could call the dog off of her on child if it came down do it NO. Off of someone else NO. I can see that your wife's and your mind is made up. But remember their are lawsuits that follow attacks along with murder charges and that will leave your child without parents. My advice is get the dog, yourself and your wife into training.

[gooeydog]

Okay if the dog bites someone or attacks it will be put down.

If you're lucky. of course if the police get there before you have the dog completely under control, you may not have that chance. All the training in the world won't make a difference if the dog decides not to listen, and nothing is ever 100% certain with dogs, so there is a chance that he will at some point decide to ignore the comand. If that happens, what are you going to do? Stand there helplessly as your dog kills someone who may or may not have been in the wrong, because "he's always listened before", and you can't get him off?

[Guest Anonymous]

Jeff,

If the dog is so trained and all, why do you keep saying you "just want your family to be safe." Think with your head, not just your heart. Obviously, if you don't feel safe--YOU'RE NOT!!! You and your wife may want the dog, but I think risking your child is foolish and beyond cruel. I'm done, have it your way. Wanted to help, but you won't listen. There's nothing more we can do for you if your mind is made up. Guys, we tried. :-?

Connie

[Guest Anonymous]

All you guys look at is the bad things! What if he does listen to me and my wife?
Well anyways what large breed of dog should I get?

[gooeydog]

The reason everyone here is only looking at the bad things is because you don't seem to be understanding the consequences you/your family could face if something goes wrong. Since you have little/no experience with large guardian breeds or "attack" trained dogs, your dog is of indiscriminate breeding, and you weren't all particularly commited to the dog in the first place, there is a better chance of something going wrong in your situation than in a situation where the dog owner has carefully researched breeds, found a good breeder of tested dogs, and is taking proper training for themselves and the dog. He very well may listen to you and your wife, but it only takes a split second for tragedy to strike, so what if he messes up just once? What if you mess up just once? If you're that worried about your neighbors, get a home security system. A dog doesn't stand a chance against a person with a gun or (in some cases) a knife.

[Guest Anonymous]

Try one of these resources to help you narrow down your selection and then dig deep on the remaining few choices. They are breed selectors...not fool proof by any means but valuable information non the less.

www.dogbreedinfo.com

Yahoo has one under science/animals/yahoopets!/dogbreedselector.

Oh dear. What did I just type above? Some command line? "You're not at work....you're not at work..."

[Hobbit]

I'm still trying to believe that a 9 month old *puppy* could be adequately trained as an *attack* dog.

Back yard breeder ...... selling to an inexperienced person = disaster.

[Carolk9s]

Jeff napisał(a):

So far the dog has listened to everything I said.
My wife says that if we give the dog back or away, it could end up in a really bad home and the dog could turn into a monster.

I like the dog and all but I want my family to be safe.

Oh I tried so hard to be quiet, the overwhelming urge to speak up is getting the better of me so I'll slither back in.
Jeff, you AND your wife have NO idea if this dog might turn into a 'monster' in your hands! Lets see, irresponsible breeding of two large, powerful, assertive/aggressive breeds of dog. Irresponsible person then sells/gives dog to people who want an aggressive attack trained dog for protection? Stir in new owners who do not sound as though they know a thimbleful about raising a dog to be a trusted, calm member of a family.
Have the lessons of Bane and Hera gone completely over your head? Marjorie Knoller (I believe that is her name) was supposedly aware of her dogs power and was supposedly somewhat experienced, SHE COULD NOT STOP BANE FROM KILLING DIANE WHIPPLE! Not just biting the woman who was NOT in a position to threaten Marjorie, but killing her in the hallway. If, IF this dog is what you are saying he is, neither you nor your wife will be able to physically stop him if he does not want to be stopped when he is full grown. Even as a nine month old, I'm sure he's a powerful force. My belgian's top weight was 74 lbs. When he was younger, if he caught me off guard, he could drag me forward a few feet before I was able to set myself and I'm no lightweight.
You say people here are focusing on the negative aspects of your 'story'. Well, that is all your are presenting, negatives and terrible consequences just waiting to happen.
The stark reality is that this dog should never have been bred, never have been whelped, never EVER passed on to people without lots of experience and support. This person who knew the male broke his chain to get to the female should have taken her immediately to the vet for a shot to have any pups aborted.
I do think you are stringing us all along, if so, yes we are falling for it. If that makes us fools in your eyes, so be it. If your story is true, and I have serious doubts, you and your wife will be in for a very rude awakening in the not too distant future. I hope we don't have to read a terrible story in the paper regarding someones injury or death because of this dog and the people who own him.

[Guest Anonymous]

Jeff napisał(a):

All you guys look at is the bad things! What if he does listen to me and my wife?
Well anyways what large breed of dog should I get?

Jeff -
The very questions you are asking unfortunately prove you are not ready for an "attack" dog of any sort, even IF the aimal in question was a responsibly bred and trained, which is not possible - or you would not own him! I'm not trying to be harsh, but the realities themselves are very harsh. Your wife has been taken in by an unscrupulous person playing on people's fears. You obviously have access to the Internet, so use it to find out how to responsibly choose, train, handle and care for a pretection dog, if you really want one. You'll need to go to training classes in your area. In the meantime, please follow the advice of others on this forum and get an alarm system instead of this dog. Please.

[Guest Anonymous]

[quote name='Hobbit']I'm still trying to believe that a 9 month old *puppy* could be adequately trained as an *attack* dog.

Back yard breeder ...... selling to an inexperienced person = disaster.

Thank you Hobbit!! That is the main problem I have!!

[Guest Anonymous]

Well, in dog ownership whether it be pet companion, guardian, or attack dog (which in this case I don't think yours could be called that because he seems to have been bred and trained (how?) by a very inexperienced, disreputable person) you have to look at all aspects of a pup or adult dog and that means the good with the bad. If the bad aspects outweigh the good and cannot be corrected then you have a very hard decision to make.

Unfortunately, dogs are viewed in our society as property. Do you want a piece of property or a loving companion for your family. Is this dog neutered, as asked previously and what do you mean you needed an attack dog because of the neighbors. You have set you and your family up for very dangerous situation not to mention the legality. In some states, you must be specially licensed to own an attack dog. Where are you located and what are your rules. Your wife went into this without any research on owning an attack dog, liabilities incurred, knowledge of dogs in general. All she did was put a lot of money into the pocket of a jerk.

I really don't know why I'm responding again, as I see definite trolling attributes here.

[Guest Anonymous]

Looking at bad hummm.....Here is some information on both the Bear dog and the Fila... Read this and tell me if you think attack training is a good thing for you dog Jeff.....

Please note:
Karelian Beardogs are not for everyone. They demand a lot of attention and should only be considered by people who are familiar with the ways of dogs, especially dogs with all the original instincts and behaviors intact. These dogs are not like the inbred happy-go-lucky average family pet. The are very close in temperament to wolves , meaning they are independent, quick thinking, and view the world in simple terms. They are very loyal to thier pack (humans, if so socialized), but tend to see other animals as either food or adversarys. Owners must be capable of handling this very forceful canine.
So forget ever getting another dog
More things on the Bear Dog are:They are fearless this is what makes them "Bear Dogs". They will fight to The DEATH!!! They are extremely agile and quick. ; these are guard dogs," Hunt said "You can't expect this to be a dog you put in the back yard," she said

Now for the Fila:
***You do not teach your Fila to protect you, as he does this on his own.*** Proper socialization and understanding of the breeds instincts are the key to successful ownership of a Fila. At anywhere from 2 - 5 months of age you will notice that your Fila does not like strangers. **The Fila is NOT a breed for the average pet owner.**
It is unsafe to own an untrained Fila. Whilst he will fulfil his role as a family guard dog, he is unpredictable and cannot be trusted off leash – even on leash he is unstoppable should he want to attack. Training must be to a level of complete on and off leash obedience for mutual trust and respect to exist between a Fila and its owner. It is only then that the Fila can be granted the freedom it deserves and that the owner can live in peace knowing that his dog will listen and obey even when it would rather not.

So I guess you have a dog that is weary of strangers(will attack) and will not get along with other dogs. You also need to be established as the master or the dog will become unruly. Fila's are one of the only breeds left in this world that will protect without training. It is bred in them from ages ago and is still there. So why someone felt the need to teach this PUPPY to attack is beyond me (I do not feel it is fully trained anyway).. and Karelian Bear Dogs are natural Guard Dogs also. So someone took a pup that had guarding and protecting in its "genetics" and put the "attacking" in it or partially. Boy tell that breeder he did an excellent job :roll: :roll: Maybe he should read up some...

[Guest Anonymous]

I know this dog will be a handful. I am willing to spend as much money as needed to get him fully trained.(I dont think the "Breeder" did a good job)
I know it wil be hard work but I am willing to do anything for this dog. I cant just give him up now. He is really sweet. He gets a long good with my son.(Who is only allowed with him, when I or my wife is present)
He listens to ever thing we tell him.

I am getting enrolled in dog classes soon.

[Guest Anonymous]

A nine month old puppy is not mature enough to be trained in this manner, with the exception of a few breeds, like the GSD. The training was faulty.

If you insist on keeping him, you may still be able to make this dog a good "pet" but please don't continue the "attack" and protection aspects of his previous training.

What little I know about the fila is that while great with the family, they are never a breed that is going to nicely greet guests, or be friendly to anyone outside of your family. That takes a great deal of management and responsibility. It is in their breed standard that they will not accept the TOUCH of anyone outside the family. Do you plan to ever take him anywhere? He may need to be muzzled at all times outside the home.

What happens when you want/need to go out of town? Do you think you'll ever be able to board him? What about a pet sitter? Fat chance.

And speaking of relying on your dogs for protection, I own a rottweiler. When my home was broken into where was my dog? Upstairs in his crate, where he was safe. It's MY job to protect the life and health of my dogs.

[Rowie-the-Pooh]

I really hope this is all a hoax! :evil:

As Star said: It's YOUR As$, not ours, we where just doing our job and giving you advise, you don't like it then TOO BAD! :evil:

[Rowie-the-Pooh]

Oh, and members, I have a feeling "Jeff" is just a kid, trying to stirr up trouble. The way he speaks is kinda like a 11 year old? I dunno what do you think? I mean, how many of us call a dog a "attack" dog???????? :-?

[corgilady]

Rowie-the-Pooh napisał(a):

Oh, and members, I have a feeling "Jeff" is just a kid, trying to stirr up trouble. The way he speaks is kinda like a 11 year old?

very good point, Rowie!