OK GUYS GET SERIOUS

[corgilady]

Now that I have a fence, Koda's barking has gotten WORSE!!! I asked you guys if your dogs were mostly inside, and you mostly said yes. so i thought, ok, maybe he just wants to be IN more. But even if he is only OUT for a few minutes, he BARKSANDBARKSANDBARKS. I can't stand it. my neighbors can't stand it. I am spending hours (that I don't have) trying to entertain him, wear him out, give him enough attention, and he can't go out for 10 minutes without doing the Stand and Bark. he runs around the yard (often with his milk carton in his mouth) then comes back to the corner and barks. Then runs, then barks. or else he just stands at the gate and barks nonstop.

I have tried doing "no bark" and "quiet" but ---- he doesn't usually bark if I'm out there!!!! I'm getting to the end of my rope here!!!! Please help!

[sixjollydogs]

You might try a citronella bark colar...not a shock one though!

[Guest Anonymous]

In one of my obedience classes, we had several "nervous" barkers. They were given the command of "NO" or "STOP" on different occasions. The trainer then resorted to the use of a squirt bottle held behind her back which the dogs could not see. Several squirts of the water at different times w/ one of the above commands brought them under control to the point where if they did start barking for no reason, a voice command was all that was needed. One dog was a little more difficult, so vinegar was mixed in w/the water, and the trainer was careful that it only went in his mouth (using a squirt rather than a spray nozzle) and not on his face nor in his eyes.

[Hobbit]

Is he actually barking AT something, or is he just barking?

If he doesn't bark when you are out there ....... it sounds like he could be a fear barker. He's just letting the world know that he's there and they better not come around or he'll ...... pee on himself.

[corgilady]

ok i have typed this message twenty times. trying again.....darn it.....

I do not think he is barking AT something. I used to think that he was barking at the cars and trucks going by, especially the bigger/louder ones. But now it seems like he just barks. He gets his milk carton, races around, shakes it to death, drops it, runs to the corner (gate) and barks. Then starts again.

He doesn't really bark if I am out there. Or even if I stand at the door and he can see me.

Of course he barks some inside too, at night. I think he is barking at noise that he hears. he seems incredibly aware (nervous) of ALL sounds outside.

Fear....remember he was scared to death when I got him. he doesn't seem that way now but comes over and flops across my lap every little bit for a quick pat. I would describe him as more nervous, or A.D.D., than scared.

Corgilady

[Guest Anonymous]

Try a washing up liquid bottle full of water and give him a really good strong squirt at the same time as saying NO. I've seen a water pistol used at training class for barkers and it worked, but think you might need the bottle.

[Guest Anonymous]

[quote name='corgilady']

ok i have typed this message twenty times. trying again.....darn it.....

I do not think he is barking AT something. I used to think that he was barking at the cars and trucks going by, especially the bigger/louder ones. But now it seems like he just barks. He gets his milk carton, races around, shakes it to death, drops it, runs to the corner (gate) and barks. Then starts again.

He doesn't really bark if I am out there. Or even if I stand at the door and he can see me.


Of course he barks some inside too, at night. I think he is barking at noise that he hears. he seems incredibly aware (nervous) of ALL sounds outside.

Fear....remember he was scared to death when I got him. he doesn't seem that way now but comes over and flops across my lap every little bit for a quick pat. I would describe him as more nervous, or A.D.D., than scared.

Corgilady

My girl has OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder), we think...and anxiety. She was on Amitriptyline for a month to see if that would help. It did to an extent, but not completely so we took her off it. While she was on it, she did not need her puppy valium when there were thunderstorms. It worked great for that!

Have you thought of something like that for his condition, or even homopathic medicine?

[mouseatthebusstop]

I was thinking a shot of water too

[corgilady]

gigishiba napisał(a):

My girl has OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder), we think...and anxiety. She was on Amitriptyline for a month to see if that would help. It did to an extent, but not completely so we took her off it. While she was on it, she did not need her puppy valium when there were thunderstorms. It worked great for that!

Have you thought of something like that for his condition, or even homopathic medicine?

No I hadn't got that far.....will check into it thanks.... altho today we had a miscommunication and my dad left them out at noon, I got in around 8 and he wasn't barking. Hmmmmmm.

[anne3149]

I would go to the vet and explain the situation. He will probably put the dog on a drug called Clomicalm. It takes a few days to work.

[Horsefeathers!]

anne3149 napisał(a):

I would go to the vet and explain the situation. He will probably put the dog on a drug called Clomicalm. It takes a few days to work.

Duh, what a dumbarse I am. Upon reading this, I realized that my Pit/Boxer mix is taking Clomicalm to help control random acts of aggression. I just realized that she doesn't spend nearly as much time barking as she used to. She used to stand at the fence, too, and BARK BARK BARK. Great side effect.


I don't know how you feel about what I call mind medications, but I have always been a cynic who feels that far too many people count on drugs to make them, their kids, or their dogs "normal." It doesn't make me very popular with some folks. However, having this knucklehead (said with affection) has made me a believer. Sometimes medication IS necessary.

See? I can be taught. :-?

[corgilady]

[quote name='Horsefeathers!']
I don't know how you feel about what I call mind medications, but I have always been a cynic who feels that far too many people count on drugs to make them, their kids, or their dogs "normal." It doesn't make me very popular with some folks. However, having this knucklehead (said with affection) has made me a believer. Sometimes medication IS necessary.

You are right on both counts: first, there ARE too many people depending on meds....my favorite is the mom who feeds her kid 10 soft drinks a day, then says he needs ritalin!!! And secondly, I think there are situations that warrant medication. After tonites episode with Koda, I am willing to try just about anything. We went to petsmart for class: whine whine whine all the way there (30 min). he's in the car all the time but he never has learned to be still OR quiet in the car. During class he was completely hyper and only obeyed his commands about 1/2 the time. afterwards back in the car -- run back & forth & whine whine whine. Upon arrival at home, out into the yard to bark (and run from me, when I tried to bring him in). He's still rarin' to go but I am exhausted!

See? I can be taught. :-?

:D

[Horsefeathers!]

Might be about time to talk to your vet, Corgi. I've sat here since that post about my Penny being on Clomicalm and thought about it. Not only is she nicer (for my other dogs) to live with, she really does seem to have mellowed. She isn't sedated at all, but she isn't nearly as high strung. Less barking and less frantic behavior along with (yay) decreased bouts of aggression. She is still digging tunnels to China, though, and still chasing squirrels :roll: . Ah, well....

Anyway, a consultation with the vet couldn't hurt.

[corgilady]

Yes I will call today....at 6:30 a.m. when I let them out, he ran out to the fence and started barking....he is between houses with a concrete drive in between, so trust me it sounds like a BIG BARK....the neighbors will be over today to complain for sure. It took me 20 minutes (in the pouring rain) to catch him, all the while he dashed from one side to the other, or all around me, barking his idiot head off. I am so fed up with him. I tried propping the back door open, but he runs in, and as soon as he catches my eye he runs out.

And once again, a squirt bottle is not the answer. When you can't get within 10 feet of a dog, you cannot squirt him!!!!

[Guest Anonymous]

Let us know the outcome!!!!

[anne3149]

I think in addition to the Clomicalm you need to get this dog to obedience classes. Has he done any obedience at all?? It would make life easier for you if the dog obeyed your commands and would give the dog some structure.

[deepseasnake]

:lol:

[corgilady]

[quote name='anne3149']I think in addition to the Clomicalm you need to get this dog to obedience classes. Has he done any obedience at all?? It would make life easier for you if the dog obeyed your commands and would give the dog some structure.

Yes he is in advanced obedience right now, plus he knows about 10 "tricks". He DOES have structure. He also has issues, from before I got him or from poor breeding or whatever.
Obviously, anne, life would be easier if he obeyed. That is why I was asking for help. :evilbat:

[anne3149]

Corgilady, there was nothing in your post to indicate whether or not the dog had obedience training. That's why I suggested it. I was not trying to be smart but to be helpful.

[corgilady]

Oh..... :oops: ... sorry. Somewhere in that thread I had said:

We went to petsmart for class

so I thought that would indicate obedience class, though i guess not necessarily so. Especially if you read fast like I do, and miss a lot of details.

Anyway. He does great at his class, and great in the house (as far as obedience I mean) and then loses it when he gets outside. Up until 2-3 wks ago, he was only able to go outside on a leash. I have a run I would put him in, then put him back on the leash and bring him inside. So this problem surfaced when I got the back yard fenced in. I thought it would be wonderful, that I could open the door and let the dogs in/out, and that Koda could run around and get the exercise he needs. Instead, he runs around like a maniac, ignores me, annd BARKS. grrrr.

[Hobbit]

Corgi -- something I didn't think about ---- has he ever been just a loose dog? Or do you know? Prior to your adopting him, was he always on a leash like maybe an apartment dog, or something like this? If you posted that, I have forgotten.

So, he acts better on a leash or trolly thing?

[corgilady]

The only FACT that I know, is that the animal control officer went out on the report of a "stray", and could not catch him. It took 2 men 3 days to get him. :lol: And I thought I had trouble catching him!!!

He does really well on the leash---- I went to the animal shelter several times and taught him to walk on a leash before I brought him home, since I am in a busy downtown area and he MUST be leashed. When I say, "go inside" and he is off leash he runs crazily but if I say it and he is on the leash, he walks quietly into the house. :o

The shelter workers all thought he had been CHAINED all of his life, since he was so bleached out they said he probably was tied in the sun with no shelter. I have tried tying him in the yard for very short periods (like when I was giving doggy baths, tied them out while I gave the others a bath, to let them dry a bit). he went NUTS but I noticed he did know how to untangle himself, so he'd been tied at least some before. I don't think he was a house/apt dog. he was NASTY & appeared to have never been brushed, I would say his whole life's hair was matted on his body. He was afraid of the brush and tried to murder it for the longest time.

Also the trainer at petsmart on monday said, no way is he over a year old. She thinks he is 10 months.

[corgilady]

So of course the next question you will ask is, why not just leash-walk him? and the answer is, he looooooves to run, practically leaps on his first trip out for the day. I feel he *needs* to run, play ball, play frisbee, etc. But then *I* need for him to come back in without a 20-min chase game. If he wouldn't bark, I'd just leave him out.....if wishes were horses......

[Guest Anonymous]

Oh, Poor baby....I'm so glad you have him now!

And I agree, they need to RUN!