Guest Anonymous Posted October 2, 2002 Posted October 2, 2002 Question.... What do you all think about feeding raw venison to dogs? My dad/brother/brother in law are all deer hunters and usually have plenty of ground venison each year (so much that mom rarely buys beef, except for when I'm home...). Quote
science_doc Posted October 2, 2002 Posted October 2, 2002 Hummmm, my biggest concern with venison, depends on where you live. Have you heard about chronic wasting disease? This disease is a variation of "mad cow" disease that is spreading rapidly through wild deer and elk populations in the USA with no good explaination about how transmission is occurring. In Wisconsin, they are saying that the meat is safe to eat, but I would pause, especially if the butchering of the deer is done carelessly. ANY SLIGHT contamination with nervous tissue has been suggested to be a big problem with passing along mad cow and scrapie (the sheep version). Anyhow that's my 2 cents. BTW all you British dog lovers, this is one of my favorite diseases, so I'm always interested in new information :lol: 8) :lol: 8) :lol: 8) Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted October 2, 2002 Posted October 2, 2002 I'm in Iowa, and so are the deer that would be killed (UGG)..... None of my family does the processing, they send it away to have it done. I'm not real familiar with the disease. Is it killed if cooked???? Quote
science_doc Posted October 2, 2002 Posted October 2, 2002 There is not much information out there about the disease in deer yet, but the cow,sheep,mink,human version cannot be killed by heat, formaldehyde, autoclaving or anything else that has ever been tried. This is by far the most sneaky scary disease growing in our world. There are great books about the origins and early discoveries of the disease, but the deer/elk version is very new, about a year or too old. The disease spread RAPIDLY across Wisconsin and Colorado (I think), so I would keep my ears open in Iowa. Last and this years deer season they are taking spinal cord samples from all harvested deer to carefully monitor the situation. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted October 2, 2002 Posted October 2, 2002 Hmmm. I'll have to let dad know about that..... I think they are allowing more in town bow hunting this year....the last few years they have had sharp shooters come to Iowa City to kill deer as there were soo many. Quote
science_doc Posted October 2, 2002 Posted October 2, 2002 In case there is any more interest out there, I found this on a quick web search: http://www.cwd-info.org/index.php/fuseaction/recommendations.main Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted October 2, 2002 Posted October 2, 2002 Do you make human pizza for your newfs or a special newfie pizza? :wink: Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted October 2, 2002 Posted October 2, 2002 Oh man....they ARE spoiled, aren't they! :wink: Can't blame ya though....mine got McDonalds last night! :o Quote
Gordonmom Posted October 2, 2002 Posted October 2, 2002 I always uses venison treats in dog training. I ask all the hunters I know to save the heart and liver for me, since they usually throw this away anyway. I cook it up, and freeze it for all year. I read the article about the TSE in a Minnesota (I think, I still have the article around here somewhere!) newspaper when it came out. The story was that three hunters that went to the same big game dinners all died of this disease, so they are thinking of a possible cross-over to humans. The only problem with this is, that all the other people that went to these dinners, and other people in these mens families did not catch this disease. While the disease is not new, what is new is that it is crossing over (maybe) into humans. I think it is somehting to watch, but I would be more worried of getting lymes disease or tuberculosis from the deer. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted October 2, 2002 Posted October 2, 2002 We have a hunter in the family and we have quite a bit of venison every year. My husband often makes venison jerky and some, we do share with our dogs. I would also add that Sitstay.com and also Clean Run Productions (an agility website and magazine for agility enthusiasts) also sells venison jerky and venison treats for dogs. Venison is very safe for dogs (we definately cook ours), but with the chronic wasting disease that is showing up, I do worry about that; not only for my dogs, but also for human consumption. We are keeping watch how far the disease is spreading. As soon as it reaches very near Ohio (where I live), we will probably not consume anymore venison until more studies are done to PROVE that humans and other animals can not get this disease from consumption. Quote
science_doc Posted October 3, 2002 Posted October 3, 2002 The biggest problem with this disease spreading to people from beef as well as venison is that the incubation period of the old variation was 7-10 years, but what they are calling the new variation of the diseas seems to take people down in only 1-3 years, spooky. I should add that hearing about the disease didn't make me stop eating venison or beef, just made me pause 8) Quote
Gordonmom Posted October 3, 2002 Posted October 3, 2002 It was my understanding that the only suspected cased of transmission to humans were those three hunters from Minnesota. Have there been more cases identified, and where were they? Quote
science_doc Posted October 10, 2002 Posted October 10, 2002 Gordonmom, You are absolutely correct the spread of chronic wasting disease to humans has only occurred in the Minn. case, but this disease is in the same family as Kuru (human cannibals), TSE (mink), scrapie (sheep), and cows (BSE or "mad cow" disease). These disease have been shown to easily pass between species and with BSE have been suggested to pass to people through consumption of meat......as a scientist I am concered that it's only a matter of time until chronic wasting disease spreads to people, but this is PURE SPECULATION on my part. I base this speculation on the ideas I have seen published on other forms of the disease. What I can't reason out in my mind is how an animal like a deer could obtain this disease in the wild, unless they are getting into cattle or domesticated deer food supplies (these contain protein from animal sources). There could be another way to transmit the disease that we haven't discovered yet, which scares me most of all :o Quote
Gordonmom Posted October 10, 2002 Posted October 10, 2002 You know, I never thought about that. The BSE is spread to cattle from other cattle being chopped up in their food. I wonder how the deer ARE getting it? That IS very scarey. Quote
eggrolyn1223 Posted October 12, 2002 Posted October 12, 2002 LOL!I gave half of my lunch to Duck yesterday(special treat cuz she was so good that day).I ate the rice and she ate the meat! Quote
science_doc Posted October 18, 2002 Posted October 18, 2002 I went out for lunch and saw a blurb on CNN that the first documented case of mad cow has occured here in the good old beef eating USA. Guess the vegetarians will have the last laugh on all of us carnivores :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: Quote
science_doc Posted October 18, 2002 Posted October 18, 2002 Never mind, the woman lived in the U.K. until she was 13, so it's not likely she contracted the disease here, just incubated the disease here. http://www.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/conditions/10/17/madcow.us/index.html Quote
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