Animal rights?

[Guest Anonymous]

YEAH! I AM!

[Guest Anonymous]

I got 65 points i think thats cos im not a vegetarian.

[deepseasnake]

yeah I barely squeeked in with 60, but I made it :D

[deepseasnake]

MEI MEI you miller

:lol:

[deepseasnake]

you forgot to say that they are ALL PUREbred and come with PAPERS from 7 differant oranazations :D

[science_doc]

Guess this won't surprise anyone, but I scored a 43, as usual for me animal rights are important, but I still believe in the need and benefit of research toward animal and human disease

[Guest Anonymous]

hey science doc-
i know this is off topic, but what kind of dog is in your photograph ? it's very pretty. cool ears and expressive face.

[bk_blue]

I got 65. 8)
With regards to rats etc: what about setting rat/mouse traps or using rat poison to rid your house of rats or mice? It would be deemed cruel and indeed it is- but does your annoyance and disgust at finding rat droppings everywhere and teeth marks on food packets, not to mention it's a bit unhygenic, justify killing them? A friend of mine turned vegetarian again after finding a rat slowly bleeding to death in her house after ingesting rat poison, she was really upset about this rat's pain and her housemates laughed at her!! :evil: Just curious to see what you guys think about this. I hate having rats in the house pooing in the pantry, but don't want to kill them painfully either :( Though it keeps the visiting cat amused-he will stare for hours at the walls, listening to the rats running about :)

[Rowie-the-Pooh]

:D :lol: YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

I AM TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

75 POINTS!
8)

YA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

[daisykatep]

:lYou can get humane rat traps where you put food in this cage and when the rat goes in to get the food adoor comes down behind it. My brother got one of these cages and caught 2 rats, he then let them out in the countryside. This way the rat doesnt suffer and you get rid :P ol:

[daisykatep]

I got 75 points too. I'm not vegetarian but care about the way animals are treated and would never eat baby animals like lambs or calves. I also only eat freedom foods and free range eggs. I think animals should have the same rights as humans and should not be used for experiments, unfortunately they have no say in the matter! :(

[eggrolyn1223]

I got 75!!!The only thing that's wrong with me is the vegetarian thing.I've always wanted and still want to be a vegetarian, but it's very hard for me because I hate vegetables and there's almost nothing to eat if I couldn't eat beef or chicken.I asked my mom once, when I was , think, 7, why we eat cows and pigs anf chickens, and she said, because animals are in this world to be eaten and serve humans.And I was like NO!!They were here before us!!They should eat us!And once I remembered seeing my aunt wearing a fake fox skin and I thought it was real, and I got mad at her.I told her :imagine an animal wearing a human skin!!How would you feel?And she couldn't say anything.I think it's wrong to think that animals were here to let us eat them, but I still can't stop eating meat!!But I'm not as bad as some people, who eat every meat imagineable-as long as they can get their hands on it, they eat it.UGHH.Now I know my mom isn't an animal lover.She's a plant lover.What a waste. :wink:

[bk_blue]

Thank you Daisy! I didn't know that. :D

[Gordonmom]

Well I scored a 60, but I am not an animal rights advocate.

I am an animal welfare advocate.

I believe that in society today you cannot give animals rights because they do not have the ability to defend those rights. Here are some examples:
You piss a dog off, he bites you.
If he had rights, then this would be OK, because it would be his right to defend himself.
I beleive it is in the dogs best welfare to train this dog that biting is unacceptable. I am looking out for the dogs best welfare.

Do I believe I can make everyone not eat pork, and let pigs run free, and possibly go get hit by cars and who knows what else, because it is their right? No.

Do I believe that it is my responsibility that as long as I place a pig on this earth that I make sure his stay here, though it may be short, is as pleasant as possible, i.e. look out for his welfare? Yep.

Do I believe that a dog has the right not to be spayed and produce as many puppies as she wants, as that is her right? No. It is my duty to look out for her best welfare.

Is it my duty to say that animals can't be uses in research, because it is there right to live free, even though they would not even be alive if it was not for this research? No. Is it my duty to look out for an animals best welfare by exploring other options for this research using computer models instead of animals, and to make sure that if an animal is used it would be the ONLY way to test something and the animal would be treated humanely? yes.

Does a dog have the right to cross a six lane highway to play on the other side?

[bk_blue]

Gordonmom- wow, well said. :) I never really thought about it like that.
Gotta say I don't like the dog's chances of *making* it to the other side, let alone playing! :wink:

[Hobbit]

[quote name='Gordonmom']Well I scored a 60, but I am not an animal rights advocate. See how closely this parallels humans:

I am an animal welfare advocate.

I believe that in society today you cannot give animals rights because they do not have the ability to defend those rights. Here are some examples:

You p*** a dog off, he bites you.
If he had rights, then this would be OK, because it would be his right to defend himself.
I beleive it is in the dogs best welfare to train this dog that biting is unacceptable. I am looking out for the dogs best welfare. The very same enthusiasm should also be placed on raising a child not to bite and hit when mad or pissed off at another person.

Do I believe that it is my responsibility that as long as I place a pig on this earth that I make sure his stay here, though it may be short, is as pleasant as possible, i.e. look out for his welfare? Yep. I wish that more people thought this way and treated other people, including their own children with this much respect.

Do I believe that a dog has the right not to be spayed and produce as many puppies as she wants, as that is her right? No. It is my duty to look out for her best welfare. Not even going to touch this one where people are concerned, but do believe that some people because of their abusive and neglectful nature should not be allowed to have children. The majority of dogs take better care of their "children" then do some people.

Does a dog have the right to cross a six lane highway to play on the other side? No more right than a person should have to drink while intoxicated and cause death and destruction because of their own total lack of responsibility.


G -- not disagreeing with you, just making my own personal statement and observations. I had a well thought out plan when I started this but got disrupted so many times...that it didn't come out like I originally planned!

[Gordonmom]

I understand what you are trying to say, Hobbit, and I am actually a child welfare advocate also.

The only difference when comparing an animals rights to a humans, is that with a human we have the ability to sit down and try to explain to them that with their rights come the responsibility to respect the rights of others. People (hopefully) can be reasoned with to act responsibly. No matter how much I talk to MacKenzie (who, by the way is the smartest dog on earth :D ) she would not get that my neighbor also has rights, so she cannot go killing her cat. I'm hopeing I could get this concept through to a child.

As for spaying people, I'm not going to go there either, because we think the same. But hopefully, we can eventually reason with people to see a kinder, gentler society. I know I could never convince MacKenzie (the genius) to just say no if Mr. stud showed up at my door at the right time.

And the only reason people don't have the right to drink and drive is because if they did then they would be infringing on the rights of others.
A dog doesn't have the right to cross the street because he doesn't know the result that this action would cause him.

Humans have rights because I can explain to you that your rights stop where my nose begins.
With my dog, her rights stop where I choose them to stop, not when she chooses them to stop, for her own protection and the protection of other people and animals.

Your arguments don't neccessarily think that animals should have rights, just that some of the rights of humans should be taken away. Do you think this would be a good thing or a bad thing?

[Hobbit]

Gordonmom napisał(a):

I understand what you are trying to say, Hobbit, and I am actually a child welfare advocate also.

The only difference when comparing an animals rights to a humans, is that with a human we have the ability to sit down and try to explain to them that with their rights come the responsibility to respect the rights of others. People (hopefully) can be reasoned with to act responsibly. No matter how much I talk to MacKenzie (who, by the way is the smartest dog on earth :D ) she would not get that my neighbor also has rights, so she cannot go killing her cat. I'm hopeing I could get this concept through to a child.

As for spaying people, I'm not going to go there either, because we think the same. But hopefully, we can eventually reason with people to see a kinder, gentler society. I know I could never convince MacKenzie (the genius) to just say no if Mr. stud showed up at my door at the right time.

And the only reason people don't have the right to drink and drive is because if they did then they would be infringing on the rights of others.
A dog doesn't have the right to cross the street because he doesn't know the result that this action would cause him.

Humans have rights because I can explain to you that your rights stop where my nose begins.
With my dog, her rights stop where I choose them to stop, not when she chooses them to stop, for her own protection and the protection of other people and animals.

Your arguments don't neccessarily think that animals should have rights, just that some of the rights of humans should be taken away. Do you think this would be a good thing or a bad thing?

I think I didn't state the DWI thing correctly --- I do not think a person has the right to place another person in danger because it's HIS right to consume past the intoxication limit.

As some people can not understand, nor be reasoned with concerning the rights of others, then they are or should be beyond the realm of being "free" to conduct themselves in such a manner. Like, some people can not be "reasoned" with to stop killing other people.

Mr. Stud -- some men can be such sweet talkers. :wink:

Animals do have rights:
They have the right to be treated with respect (as do humans)
They have the right to be cared for and nurtured (as do humans)
They have the right to be allowed to live without abuse (as do humans)

Some of the human rights taken away? This is just a personal opinion and not meant for a long discussion over who is right or wrong. Yes, I believe that some humans STOP having any rights when they torture, kill, rape or abuse another human being, especially children, old people, or a person that can't fight back. These types of preditors STOP being human when they engage in this type of behaviour. They stop having a right to be called a person. They are the lowest form of life and should be stopped at any cause....and I mean any cause. I have no feelings, compassion, or use for this sort of person.

G --- we are in agreement, or rather I am in agreement with what you are saying. I just think that I like dogs (animals) much better than people (as a whole). See, I was raised in a remote area where my only friends were animals and I was never socialized as a child and I tend to bite! :wink:

[Gordonmom]

When we loose our ability to reason, we do lose our rights. That's why we have laws.

Hobbit, I grew up in the city and I REALLY have learned to like dogs rather than people :lol:

[Hobbit]

AMEN, SISTER!!