by the scruff of his neck

[deepseasnake]

what effect does picking a pup up by his neck have?
I've heard that it is a comforting mother kind of way to pick the pup up, I've also heard that its a display of dominance over the pup and that it hurts them

opinions?

[Guest Anonymous]

deepseasnake napisał(a):

what effect does picking a pup up by his neck have?
I've heard that it is a comforting mother kind of way to pick the pup up, I've also heard that its a display of dominance over the pup and that it hurts them

opinions?

well from all I have observed its painful and frighting and nothing I would do short of an emergency grab
there is no need to dominate pups when you can lead them instead with much better results!

[Guest Anonymous]

Actually I think Cats are okay to do that with but Dogs are not.. Dogs have too much weight behind them to do that.. Yes it does show Dominance but I don't think it feels good on them either..

[deepseasnake]

yeah I would not be comfortable with someone who did this to a pup, say 3 months old, but at the begining it seems okay, for obedience issues, cuz your not gonna quite swat him yet so you need to have something.

[Guest Anonymous]

Mei-Mei napisał(a):

That is a good question, Deep. Some experts advise grabbing a puppy by the scruff of the neck if it is doing something wrong. I don't think one should actually lift the puppy up like that with no bottom support, that has to hurt as the puppy gets older. I notice that the momma dog only does that when the pups are little and their weight doesn't drag them down.

Hmmm, I don't know the answer to this one. :-? I disagree to a certain extent with the Guest that showing dominance over the puppy is not desired. I think one should exert dominance with their dog, but I only have experience with naturally dominant dogs. Maybe it's different with dogs with a milder personality.

You've been reading old books if you think dominance is needed or advised. Leadership and dominance are not quite the same thing- dogs respect leaders and leaders have a lot more fun than 'dominant' owners do. Dogs don't always respect what we call dominance (the infliction of fear and pain) because some observers misinterpreted what they were seeing and then decided it related to dogs as well as wolves the poor dogs are stuck with owners trying to dominate instead of training their pets.
ALL my dogs are pushy ones ;-) You think someone as pushy as I am can tolerate a wimpy mild dog? :lol: not hardly! Those I send to new homes with mild owners in them.

[deepseasnake]

well said mei mei

guest I certainly do not agree with your definition of dominance and as much of a limb this is, just because it's in a couple books, really doesn't mean sh!t to me, sorry but it doesnt! my dogs love me and they never cower in fear, but they know when they dissobey and they know when they are doing the right thing. I'm perfectly happy with them the way I raised them and would not do anything differant if givin the chance.

my definition of dominance lies in the dogs mind, and can be translated as follows....Dad

[Guest Anonymous]

I have grabbed Ruby by the scruff of the neck a couple times when she was bad, (she has a lot of extra skin there)
but NEVER lifted, pulled or carried her that way!!! :cry:
I only use it to re-establish dominance when a couple tugs on the leash and some sharp words don't work.
I only hold her in place so she looks at me when I say NO! I immediately let go.......never hurt her.
She always reacts by laying on her side or back, showing her tummy (submissive....I'm sorry......)
Then I talk nicer to her & calm her down.

She is getting bigger (50 lbs.) at 10 months old, and pulls on the leash.
I can't wait to take her to obedience classes!
She gets away with everything with my husband, and she pushes the limits all the time with him because she knows she can. :-?
He is more of a littermate to her, because all they do is play.
She has even escaped out of the harness with him twice!
I need to maintain Alpha status, because Alan doesn't.

She is a joy most of the time, but if she continues to pull at the leash we will not be able to control her on walks anymore. :(
I'm afraid of how big she will get. :o

[mouseatthebusstop]

TIGGERREST I AGREED WITH A LOT OF WHAT YOU SAID BUT OBEDIENCE CLASSES SHOULD HAVE STARED AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE. IT IS NEVER TOO LATE
I WOULD NOT PICK UP A DOG OR CAT IN THIS WAY.

[Guest Anonymous]

Mouse-You missed what I said:

but NEVER lifted, pulled or carried her that way!!!

I never pick her up like that! She's 50 lbs.......Not even if I could.
Thanks for your concern, though.

Mei-Mei --
My husband was laid off from work. :cry:
We were starting to check into other training possibilities besides PetSmart.
Any comments, suggestions, opinions on the PetSmart group training classes?
A couple of the private Obedience schools we checked are Very expensive. $$ :(
So is having the trainer come to the house.

I have taught her myself what I learned from some books.
She knows sit, lay down, shake paw, & High Five! :D
She was already house broken when we got her, Thank God!! 8)
Oh, she also lets us know when the microwave beeps, toaster dings & my radio alarm goes off........she "points" to the machine, then nudges us if we don't notice soon enough!

[Guest Anonymous]

deepseasnake napisał(a):

well said mei mei

guest I certainly do not agree with your definition of dominance and as much of a limb this is, just because it's in a couple books, really doesn't mean sh!t to me, sorry but it doesnt! my dogs love me and they never cower in fear, but they know when they dissobey and they know when they are doing the right thing. I'm perfectly happy with them the way I raised them and would not do anything differant if givin the chance.

my definition of dominance lies in the dogs mind, and can be translated as follows....Dad

For most people dominance means things like scruff shaking, alpha rolls and use of punishment style training with choke and pinch and even electronic collars. And many a "Dad" raises his kids with a belt and the back of his hand.
Leaders do differently and the dogs follow happily even the dominant ones.

[Guest roo]

:o :o :o :o

[corgilady]

[quote name='tiggerress']Any comments, suggestions, opinions on the PetSmart group training classes?

Hi Tiggeress,

I just did petsmart class with Toby. I thought it was great and would enroll him or another dog in another one except my schedule is the opposite of everyone else's :cry:

At first i thought being in the building would be confining and annoying, me being the outdoors type . But all the noise and distractions were great for the dogs. It helped them learn to focus. The only problem I had with it was that, at ours, the parking lot has NO grass anywhere. Even the little islands have stickery plants. So he couldn't figure out where to poop, so he would ask to go out, come back in, and poop in the floor every week. :oops: :oops: :oops:

good luck!

Corgilady

[Guest Anonymous]

[quote name='Mei-Mei']

For most people dominance means things like scruff shaking, alpha rolls and use of punishment style training with choke and pinch and even electronic collars

I haven't spoken to most people! :o
When I want the definition of a word, I usually consult a dictionary. It doesn't mention pinch collars in the dictionary. :wink:
Seriously though, I have never had to use any type of punishment style training. Why? My dogs know I'm in charge; I've taught them that since puppyhood. And they love me for it and willingly follow my instruction (and take the treats I liberally dole out! :D )
So you are confusing being the leader (which I said was good) with being a dominant person over your animal (which I said was not the best way to go). The dictionary and real word use often differ and nomeclature for specialty applications can differ even more. Dog training has its own vocabulary rarely supported by Websters. Dominance is one of those words IME that differs in the real world from what the 'always behind the times' dictionary says when it comes to using the word in training dogs.
Apparently this was a problem with semantics in your understanding of what I was saying. And there is a difference between leader style and dominant style training.