GizmoRedNosePit Posted July 21, 2002 Posted July 21, 2002 I wanna vote again but it wont let me...tommorrow I goto my gradmas I'll try to vote their too!! Yeah.....I'm gonna send it to couple more people... :D Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted July 22, 2002 Posted July 22, 2002 HEE HEE! I just voted again from work....we are kickin' butt! Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted July 22, 2002 Posted July 22, 2002 No friggin' way! Those BA#$#$(s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote
Louis Posted July 22, 2002 Posted July 22, 2002 Oh god this sucks!! Its 50/50 now.. What the hell happened? And where do we write to to accuse them of rigging? Unless the 'Protect our cute kiddie winkies from horrible slobbery pooches' forum got wind of the story.. Pleeeeaze. Proof of a biased media? I think so! :evil: Quote
GizmoRedNosePit Posted July 23, 2002 Posted July 23, 2002 I went to another pitbull forum and they voted now what was the last vote at? I tried to vote again today at my gradmas but it was a different poll.....so who won...unfairly probably yes's won...it was jipped.... :roll: Quote
GizmoRedNosePit Posted July 23, 2002 Posted July 23, 2002 Thats a clever idea K! Hey you didn't even say hi when you came online! :P Quote
GizmoRedNosePit Posted July 23, 2002 Posted July 23, 2002 The way I see it is it's allready done and I cant do anything about it......I'm not gonna get all rilled up about this one....but the next one I will...too tired and exuasted... Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted July 23, 2002 Posted July 23, 2002 PitBulls in most cases are highly aggressive towards ANY animal, no matter what kind, number, or size. PitBulls are one of the most dominant and powerful mammals out there. They have the most solidity and defined musculature of any dog breed, or animal for that matter. They ARE THE MOST GAME ANIMALS ON THE PLANET. Gameness as a quality means never backing down, fighting to the death even with missing limbs and eyes, and always wanting to quarrel with another animal. Determination goes hand-in-hand with GAMENESS, and I doubt that there is any animal with as much determination as an American Pit Bull Terrier. Pit Bulls are also impervious to pain, with a staggeringly high thresh-hold for it. They have the strongest bite-grip of ALL dog breeds, as well as ANY mammal in the animal kingdom. They have an up- front generated bite strength (capacity) of anywhere between 2,000 PSI - 2,600 PSI. I have heard reports of these numbers even hitting the 3,000's in provocation sustained tests using a PSI measuring sleeve. Even 2,000 PSI can crush a human skull, very easily. Pits have a propensity towards aggression, as they were originally bred to fight bulls and bears. Pits can be molded very easily, meaning you control how they act almost 100% of the time, that is if you are strong enough for this kind of dog. When Pits lock down their powerful jaws, think of a trash-compactor with teeth, to get the general idea. They can break bones like toothpicks, and bite deeply into the bone through the muscle. Most dog breeds can't even bite through or even deep into the muscle !! When a Pit has a good hold (lock), sometimes, they can stay suspended in mid-air for up to an hour or more. I have a red-nosed APBT that can hold onto a rope from a tree for around 40 minutes, kicking and shaking his head almost the hole time. The PSI measurement, assuming the back molars were ONLY doing the biting or gripping, is 280,000 lbs. of pressure per square inch, possibly even more. This almost 300% PSI increase is only because any mammal or animals back molars can crush or bite up to and over 120x the bite pressure that the front to mid teeth can produce in pressure strength. Pits are, by nature, the most experienced and most effective fighting dogs ever produced. Pits fight longer, more effectively, and better than any animal that I can name. Pits are highly athletic as well --- Verticling an 8ft. fence won't be a problem. If you've ever been ramsacked by an excited or even aggressive Pit Bull, then you are quite aware that even this medium sized dog can, without a doubt, bring even a Pro. Football LineBacker down to the ground......... assuming medium height, usually applying it's weight towards the lower torso or pelvis, and knocking you hard off your feet onto the ground. I own 2 red-nosed APBT's, I have plenty of experience with Pits. I also obtained my ACCURATE PSI measurements from Cornell University Professors and Berkely Professors during their time of research on carnivore jaw and tooth development, both professors have their Phd's. Pit Bulls are also excellent at weight-pulling, being able to pull 4,000 lb. sleds over 20 yds in competitions. American Pit Bulls are the strongest dog of ALL dog breeds, regardless of their 30-75 lb. size........ even though I've seen them get up to and over 130 lbs !....... check http://www.landofthegiants.com for any doubters. Are "PITS" dangerous, YES ! Mostly towards animals though, less towards humans. Do Pit Bulls make good house pets ? Almost always the case, NOPE. They should be kept outside in their respective kennels or dog houses. I have encountered my friend's pits before, 2 of which, wouldn't harm a fly and are flops, or currs........ meaning too loveable or scared to fight or show maximum aggression. Bottom line, Pits are very very very, have I stressed VERY enough ?? --- DANGEROUS ANIMALS !! If you do want a pit down the road............ raise it from a pup, socialize it with people and other animals the day that you get it, go with a female gender (gentler), and baby it as much as possible with love...... if it gets out of hand, punish it without abusing it. Let it know who's boss. My friend has a 2 month old AMSTAFF/RED-NOSE APBT cross that has humped my leg twice, and humps the other full grown dogs that he has in his house, at 2 months of age ! This shows you exactly how dominant the dog breed in general is, and if not corrected early on, will remain more dominant than even you, it's master. Take my advice, PIT BULLS ARE HIGHLY DANGEROUS ! I've seen, with my own eyes, just how dangerous they really are. Cops are even afraid of them, as I've heard plenty of reports where cops have shot them numerous times in the head and the pit keeps coming for the cop. In one case, an oficer shot a pit over 30 times, and it was still alive ! In another case, a cop shot a pit coming towards him countless times, before the pit jumped up, grabbed his throat and ripped it out in full ------ trachea included ! Do a search at Google on Top Secret Animal X files, or something of that label, to find this exact criteria from the reports from the under- ground media posted there. Please people, take my advice, don't have one unless you know that you can and will properly control it's behavior from early on, and in the future. They may not have lock- jaw, but unreal determination to not let go of a grip severely out- weighs it's lock-jaw rumor. Pits can be considered a highly lethal weapon, just like a gun. Most people think that this is absurd....... only, they forget that a gun is only lethal when it goes off. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted July 23, 2002 Posted July 23, 2002 I own a Siberian Husky, and they are on the top ten most dangerous dog breed list... Sibes are very pack-oriented and have an unusually high prey-drive... meaning if a little kid falls down and gets hurt a sibe is going to hear the whine and trigger its prey instinct! I am a dog sled driver, Sibes are the best pet in the whole world to me... but they can be dangerous... Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted July 23, 2002 Posted July 23, 2002 PitBulls in most cases are highly aggressive towards ANY animal, no matter what kind, number, or size. PitBulls are one of the most dominant and powerful mammals out there. They have the most solidity and defined musculature of any dog breed, or animal for that matter. They ARE THE MOST GAME ANIMALS ON THE PLANET. Gameness as a quality means never backing down, fighting to the death even with missing limbs and eyes, and always wanting to quarrel with another animal. Determination goes hand-in-hand with GAMENESS, and I doubt that there is any animal with as much determination as an American Pit Bull Terrier. Pit Bulls are also impervious to pain, with a staggeringly high thresh-hold for it. They have the strongest bite-grip of ALL dog breeds, as well as ANY mammal in the animal kingdom. They have an up- front generated bite strength (capacity) of anywhere between 2,000 PSI - 2,600 PSI. I have heard reports of these numbers even hitting the 3,000's in provocation sustained tests using a PSI measuring sleeve. Even 2,000 PSI can crush a human skull, very easily. Pits have a propensity towards aggression, as they were originally bred to fight bulls and bears. Pits can be molded very easily, meaning you control how they act almost 100% of the time, that is if you are strong enough for this kind of dog. When Pits lock down their powerful jaws, think of a trash-compactor with teeth, to get the general idea. They can break bones like toothpicks, and bite deeply into the bone through the muscle. Most dog breeds can't even bite through or even deep into the muscle !! When a Pit has a good hold (lock), sometimes, they can stay suspended in mid-air for up to an hour or more. I have a red-nosed APBT that can hold onto a rope from a tree for around 40 minutes, kicking and shaking his head almost the hole time. The PSI measurement, assuming the back molars were ONLY doing the biting or gripping, is 280,000 lbs. of pressure per square inch, possibly even more. This almost 300% PSI increase is only because any mammal or animals back molars can crush or bite up to and over 120x the bite pressure that the front to mid teeth can produce in pressure strength. Pits are, by nature, the most experienced and most effective fighting dogs ever produced. Pits fight longer, more effectively, and better than any animal that I can name. Pits are highly athletic as well --- Verticling an 8ft. fence won't be a problem. If you've ever been ramsacked by an excited or even aggressive Pit Bull, then you are quite aware that even this medium sized dog can, without a doubt, bring even a Pro. Football LineBacker down to the ground......... assuming medium height, usually applying it's weight towards the lower torso or pelvis, and knocking you hard off your feet onto the ground. I own 2 red-nosed APBT's, I have plenty of experience with Pits. I also obtained my ACCURATE PSI measurements from Cornell University Professors and Berkely Professors during their time of research on carnivore jaw and tooth development, both professors have their Phd's. Pit Bulls are also excellent at weight-pulling, being able to pull 4,000 lb. sleds over 20 yds in competitions. American Pit Bulls are the strongest dog of ALL dog breeds, regardless of their 30-75 lb. size........ even though I've seen them get up to and over 130 lbs !....... check http://www.landofthegiants.com for any doubters. Are "PITS" dangerous, YES ! Mostly towards animals though, less towards humans. Do Pit Bulls make good house pets ? Almost always the case, NOPE. They should be kept outside in their respective kennels or dog houses. I have encountered my friend's pits before, 2 of which, wouldn't harm a fly and are flops, or currs........ meaning too loveable or scared to fight or show maximum aggression. Bottom line, Pits are very very very, have I stressed VERY enough ?? --- DANGEROUS ANIMALS !! If you do want a pit down the road............ raise it from a pup, socialize it with people and other animals the day that you get it, go with a female gender (gentler), and baby it as much as possible with love...... if it gets out of hand, punish it without abusing it. Let it know who's boss. My friend has a 2 month old AMSTAFF/RED-NOSE APBT cross that has humped my leg twice, and humps the other full grown dogs that he has in his house, at 2 months of age ! This shows you exactly how dominant the dog breed in general is, and if not corrected early on, will remain more dominant than even you, it's master. Take my advice, PIT BULLS ARE HIGHLY DANGEROUS ! I've seen, with my own eyes, just how dangerous they really are. Cops are even afraid of them, as I've heard plenty of reports where cops have shot them numerous times in the head and the pit keeps coming for the cop. In one case, an oficer shot a pit over 30 times, and it was still alive ! In another case, a cop shot a pit coming towards him countless times, before the pit jumped up, grabbed his throat and ripped it out in full ------ trachea included ! Do a search at Google on Top Secret Animal X files, or something of that label, to find this exact criteria from the reports from the under- ground media posted there. Please people, take my advice, don't have one unless you know that you can and will properly control it's behavior from early on, and in the future. They may not have lock- jaw, but unreal determination to not let go of a grip severely out- weighs it's lock-jaw rumor. Pits can be considered a highly lethal weapon, just like a gun. Most people think that this is absurd....... only, they forget that a gun is only lethal when it goes off. Quote
GizmoRedNosePit Posted July 23, 2002 Posted July 23, 2002 This is what I have writen, I can only hope he will change his mind.... I just heard that you might give "us people" a chance that owns pitbulls. I hope that is true becuase then you will learn the breed and not be like EVERYONE else in the world. Now personally before you go and report anything you should research the "breed" by going a REAL breeder not a backyard breeder and see the TRUE APBT and all the "Other known pit bull breeds" and stay with the dogs all day, watch them, and observe how they are NOT aggresive and killers from the begging. Now true this breed was bred to fight, but I have a pitbull and her favorite thing to do is give kisses. She is protective of the house ( which everydog is) and she is protective of her owners (which everydog is). Now if she didn't show a single bit of aggression towards a stranger coming into the house, while we are there, would you still consider her dangerouse? Because when a stranger does come in the house she gets so excited she goes up to them and kisses them and loves them like she has known them all her life. She has allways done this. Never bit anyone, never hurt anyone, nothing like what the MEDIA thinks that this breed it like.....Sure I know every dog is diffrent BUT she is pure bred, and has grown up with a loving family, and is still being trained...BUT the ones that DO TURN are the ones that are tied up in the backyard, no water, no food, NO loving affection, ONLY beatings and beatings will they finally turn "mad". Wouldn't you....I know I would if someone kept beating me over and over again....They dont know what is wrong if they have grown up with it all thier life.....You wouldn't either.... Please take this and think about this letter and this breed, It's VERY unfair to this breed to be singled out. Every type of breed in the long run HAS bit someone and they didn't want to "ban" the breed....please dont particaipate in this horrible idea, if and once the breed is banned then they will be ever MORE WANTED by people...just like if a kid cant have certain candy they want it even more.... This is decrimination and it's not fair to the breeders and owners of well trained, well behaved APBT's. Remeber, there are NO bad dogs out there, only bad owners and poor trianing..... Please reconsider what you believe and give ALL of us a chance...... Please write back and tell me what you think...I can get stories of this breed that you can not believe how incredible this breed is.... Quote
GizmoRedNosePit Posted July 23, 2002 Posted July 23, 2002 PitBulls in most cases are highly aggressive towards ANY animal, no matter what kind, number, or size.Only if they were not socialized and not loved when they were growing up...Any dog will be highly aggresive towards animals if they aren't brought up with them... PitBulls are one of the most dominant and powerful mammals out there. You really dont want to hear what I have to say do you! My pit will back down if a dog comes up wanting to fight, she is NOTHING even near ALPHA and as soon as a dog comes up to her and wants to fight she WILL lay on her back and show her belly.They have the most solidity and defined musculature of any dog breed, or animal for that matter. Well yeah and the problem with that is??? Tell me a person that is more built then another person they dont get descriminated so why should "more built" dogs get descriminated???They ARE THE MOST GAME ANIMALS ON THE PLANET. Yeah that is what they were bred for A LONG TIME AGO, that DOES NOT mean that are going to kill everything they see. And when was "gameness" ever a bad thing? They have "gameness" to please their owners hearts out of their bodies! Is that such a bad thing? This breed is the most loving breed I know because they have so much gameness.Gameness as a quality means never backing down, fighting to the death even with missing limbs and eyes, and always wanting to quarrel with another animal. Ummm, yeah this only happenes when the owner beats their dogs to allmost death and then the dog will fight for its life, and it's not only THIS BREED, if you beat a lab like people do a pit I'm sure the lab would do the same thing!Determination goes hand-in-hand with GAMENESS, and I doubt that there is any animal with as much determination as an American Pit Bull Terrier.NO, maybe not but gameness, like I said above IS NOT THE WORST THING IN THE WORLD! Pit Bulls are also impervious to pain, with a staggeringly high thresh-hold for it. High thresshold for pain is not a bad thing in my book, that means they can have surgery and just walk it off, how is that bad let me know.... They have the strongest bite-grip of ALL dog breeds, as well as ANY mammal in the animal kingdom. They have an up- front generated bite strength (capacity) of anywhere between 2,000 PSI - 2,600 PSI.Umm this is the biggest JOKE ever spread around about pitbulls buddy! They do not have that and they have the same bite as anyother dog, the only diffrence is, is that they have more gameness then anyother breed, like you have been saying ALL ALONG! I have heard reports of these numbers even hitting the 3,000's in provocation sustained tests using a PSI measuring sleeve. Even 2,000 PSI can crush a human skull, very easily. Blah, Blah, Blah, BLah, Where did you get all this "inforamtion that has to be right, because you dont own a pitbull right ,you just know all this info on them".....I have one and you dont even know the diffrence between anyother breed and the american pitbull terrier BECAUSE YOU DONT HAVE ONE.Pits have a propensity towards aggression, as they were originally bred to fight bulls and bears. Yes, that is known by everyone int he world, Yeah they can also hunt down VERY BIG WILD HOGS, you forgot to mention that also! Pits can be molded very easily, meaning you control how they act almost 100% of the time, that is if you are strong enough for this kind of dog.Yes, training is the word for this. You just made the point that pitbulls are the easiest dogs to trian becuase of their gameness to please and they can be molded very easily..A child could easily handle a well trained pitbull.....Thankyou! When Pits lock down their powerful jaws,Biggest joke in the world think of a trash-compactor with teeth,like I said biggest joke in the world! to get the general idea. They can break bones like toothpicks, and bite deeply into the bone through the muscle. Most dog breeds can't even bite through or even deep into the muscle !! When a Pit has a good hold (lock), sometimes, they can stay suspended in mid-air for up to an hour or more. I have a red-nosed APBT that can hold onto a rope from a tree for around 40 minutes, kicking and shaking his head almost the hole time.So you say you have one, then why are you telling everyone that pitbulls are dangerouse, why are you adding to the "bad press" Tell me why, and you should learn the diffrence between real facts and fake...because this jaw pressure crap is NOT TRUE. The PSI measurement, assuming the back molars were ONLY doing the biting or gripping, is 280,000 lbs. of pressure per square inch, possibly even more. This almost 300% PSI increase is only because any mammal or animals back molars can crush or bite up to and over 120x the bite pressure that the front to mid teeth can produce in pressure strength.Blah, Blah, Blah where are the facts of this, I have pages among pages that this is a joke and not true.... Pits are, by nature, the most experienced and most effective fighting dogs ever produced. Pits fight longer, more effectively, and better than any animal that I can name. Pits are highly athletic as well --- Verticling an 8ft. fence won't be a problem. If you've ever been ramsacked by an excited or even aggressive Pit Bull, then you are quite aware that even this medium sized dog can, without a doubt, bring even a Pro. Football LineBacker down to the ground......... assuming medium height, usually applying it's weight towards the lower torso or pelvis, and knocking you hard off your feet onto the ground. I own 2 red-nosed APBT's, I have plenty of experience with Pits. I also obtained my ACCURATE PSI measurements from Cornell University Professors and Berkely Professors during their time of research on carnivore jaw and tooth development, both professors have their Phd's. IT"S NOT TRUE, I DONT CARE WHERER YOU SAY YOU GOT THIS INFO IT'S NOT TRUE!!Pit Bulls are also excellent at weight-pulling, being able to pull 4,000 lb. sleds over 20 yds in competitions. American Pit Bulls are the strongest dog of ALL dog breeds, regardless of their 30-75 lb. size........ even though I've seen them get up to and over 130 lbs !....... check http://www.landofthegiants.com for any doubters. Are "PITS" dangerous, YES ! Mostly towards animals though, less towards humans. Do Pit Bulls make good house pets ? Almost always the case, NOPE. They should be kept outside in their respective kennels or dog houses.Why?? So they are chained out side also right so they can jump the fence and go kill right? I have encountered my friend's pits before, 2 of which, wouldn't harm a fly and are flops, or currs........ meaning too loveable or scared to fight or show maximum aggression. Bottom line, Pits are very very very, have I stressed VERY enough ?? --- DANGEROUS ANIMALS !!NO they are not, you dont love your dogs enough....if you say this while we get all bad rap for these dogs....what is wrong with having a pitbull that loves and gives kisses.....tell me If you do want a pit down the road............ raise it from a pup, socialize it with people and other animals the day that you get it, go with a female gender (gentler), and baby it as much as possible with love...... if it gets out of hand, punish it without abusing it.This is what you should do WITH ALL DOGS, just not the APBT.... Let it know who's boss. My friend has a 2 month old AMSTAFF/RED-NOSE APBT cross that has humped my leg twice, and humps the other full grown dogs that he has in his house, at 2 months of age ! This shows you exactly how dominant the dog breed in general is, and if not corrected early on, will remain more dominant than even you, it's master. Take my advice, PIT BULLS ARE HIGHLY DANGEROUS !GRRR Stop saying that, you haven't seen my pit then. She is pure and she has never shown a bit of aggression, we have another friend and he has a male and this pitbull is laid back and if a dog comes up and grabs a ball then he just lays their he doesn't ahve any aggresion either where do you get this?? I've seen, with my own eyes, just how dangerous they really are. Cops are even afraid of them, Where did you get this?as I've heard plenty of reports where cops have shot them numerous times in the head and the pit keeps coming for the cop. Yeah, the type of pit that is brought up getting abused every day, not every pit is like this....In one case, an oficer shot a pit over 30 times, and it was still alive ! In another case, a cop shot a pit coming towards him countless times, before the pit jumped up, grabbed his throat and ripped it out in full ------ trachea included ! Do a search at Google on Top Secret Animal X files, or something of that label, to find this exact criteria from the reports from the under- ground media posted there. Please people, take my advice, don't have one unless you know that you can and will properly control it's behavior from early on, and in the future.This goes for all dogs, not just the pitbull. They may not have lock- jaw,finally you say that! but unreal determination to not let go of a grip severely out- weighs it's lock-jaw rumor. Pits can be considered a highly lethal weapon, just like a gun. Most people think that this is absurd....... only, they forget that a gun is only lethal when it goes off. Sibehusky dont take this to be rude or anything like that, but it is my opinon and it seems to me you are letting people know how dangerouse this breed COULD be if not brought up right and tied up outside and not loves and socialized correctly, I agree with a couple things you said but not alot. This is my first pit and I love her unconditionally and socialize her more then I have ever heard, My goal in life is to have her and prove to alot of people that you can change this breed and it wont be anything the way that the MEDIA believes it to be..... :wink: Quote
gooeydog Posted July 23, 2002 Author Posted July 23, 2002 SibeHusky: I disagree with a few of your statements about pit bulls... First, many pit bulls aren't animal aggressive unless challenged, even some from "game" lines. I'm not saying that all are like that, but many are. They may be dominant over other animals, but most are "soft" towards people. They won't challenge their owner in the same way that some of the "harder", protection & guard breeds will. Another popular misconception is that all pit bulls are game. From what I understand, "truly game" dogs are very rare, and just being a pit bull doesn't make them game. You're right that gameness means never backing down, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they will pick a fight. It does mean that they have the ability to finish one though, which is why pit bull owners need to be careful and keep them out of trouble. Determination doesn't go hand in hand with gameness, it simply is gameness. As far as the bite pressure study, I've never really studied it, but from what I understand, jaw strength can't be accurately measured by PSI, and even if it could, all the animals would have to be tested under the exact same conditions in order for it to be accurate, which would be nearly impossible. I'm a little confused by your statement, "Pits have a propensity towards aggression, as they were originally bred to fight bulls and bears". Yes they do have a propensity towards animal aggression, but not towards human aggression. Any large dog can inflict serious damage to a person or animal, breed has nothing to do with that. Breed really doesn't even have anything to do with a dog's determination to do something. Our Mini Dachshund will hang from the springpole for almost 1/2 hour, then will let go for a few minutes break and go back for some more. Most pits are more determined, or game, whatever you want to call it :D, than dogs of other breeds, but there are "freaks" out there in other breeds as well. Pit bulls are strong dogs, some say they are the strongest breed pound-for-pound, but other large bull breeds (ABs for example) have them beat overall. Many pit bull owners who think their dogs are "curs" are shocked when their dog matures a little more and gains confidence, (always in the worst places, like the middle of a petstore. After all, the dog was "cold", right?) :o . You state that pit bulls don't make good housepets. Why? Your friend's dog is testing his limits, as most pups will. Police officers are afraid of almost all large dogs, even labs have been shot. I've seen the site you refer to before, and most of the stories on there are the usual over-exaggerated media stories, but there may be some truth to them. Either way, the dogs were that way because of the irresponsible owners who didn't bother to actually take care of their dogs. What you said about not getting one unless you're going to take care of them applies to all large breeds, as an attack from any large/giant breed can prove fatal just as easily as one from a pit bull. Anyway, I respect your opinions, but mine are different, so I guess we'll just have to disagree :lol: Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted July 23, 2002 Posted July 23, 2002 You honestly are very breed ignorant. Like I said... a gun is not lethal until its fired... its not about "has your dog ever bitten before" its about... "if it does, does it have the characteristics of a killing machine" and yes... they do... your pit isnt even full grown yet... you are very stupid believing that since ur PUPPY hasnt bitten or shown aggression that it wont is very STUPID... when your pup becomes an adult his/her mentality will change drastically My siberian is on the top ten list of dangerous dog breeds... you do not understand how serious this is.. ur a little kid, I can tell by the way you present yourself. My sibe once attacked a dog at Doggy School Playday because the dog became injured when another dog ran into it playing and it yelped triggering her prey drive.. I swear to u I would have never believed she could posess that instinct in her.. but I saw it.. she saw an animal weaker than her and she saw the chance to become higher ranking if she can be dominate over it, and she took that oppurtunity Believe it or not... your so-called non assertive dog is most likely to take oppurtunity of a young kid in distress or another dog because it being a low member on the ladder of Alpha means its looking for every chance to step up on the ladder taking advantage of oppurtunity. An Alpha dog is more secure with itself than an Omega dog... you understand? By people saying they're dangerous.. does not mean they are bad... every breed was built for a purpose... pits are not house dogs.. they need exercise and to work... thats like taking a Weightlifter and sending him home wiht a carton of icecream a big screen tv.... he needs to box... a pit needs to work... a siberian husky needs to pull a sled.. either of the three arent happy otherwise... plzz understand this.. and YES some breeds were bred SPECIFICALLY to be a house pet... I have a siberian husky for my dog mushing and 2 pits for guarding our log cabin and I love my pits too death .. they are awesome... they get along wiht our "Pack" but if ur a stranger when im not around... ur shit outta luck... no joke... and I didnt hear u say if a mail man came into ur yard when u were away that ur dog wouldnt have any problem jumping through that glass window and killing him.... I know a dog that can beat its body around and not feel a thing can easily jump through a window.. u wanna know why I know that??? BECAUSE I SAW IT!!! the dog didnt kill a mail man.. but it chased down this boy on his bike until he was passed the front yard... thats what we mean by determination.. u havent seen it in ur puppy yet... Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted July 23, 2002 Posted July 23, 2002 Ok... now.. to u... THEY USE A FAKE ARM TO TEST BITE PRESSURE... And I could give a d*** if they are supposedly only aggressive towards other dogs.. I DONT WANT MY DOG GETTING TORN APART BY A 3 LEGGED PITBULL!!! you act so inconciderate.. half the laws arent about dogs killing humans.. they're about dogs killing cats and other dogs... ok.. and ur ********.. pardon me but your ignorance has my ****** off ... ur ********about them only fighting if provoked MEANS **** because even if ur provoked a ******* poodle the thing couldnt kill u.. pits are very easily provoked.. saying that its not the pits fault for being provoked is like saying.. well he provoked me so I killed him.... THEY CAN KILL... if provoked as u want to give them an excuse... THEY WILL KILL... so stfu about a bad rap.. because they ARE a HIGHLY VICIOUS DOG!!! any sick human who rapes and murders can be a reasonable person to someone... until u **** them off.. THEY ARE DANGEROUS!!! YOU DONT WANT ADMIT IT!!! Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted July 23, 2002 Posted July 23, 2002 Everyone has there own opinions about the tempermant of an APBT. But I still can't seem to figure out why non-Pit Bull owners seem to think that they know everything there is to know about the breed. If SibeHusky did in fact own Pit Bulls he/she would not be building them up as dangerous dogs, unless of course that is the way he has brought them up. Like I have said in some of my previous posts.. I have grown up around Pit Bulls. And we never once had a problem with any of them. When I moved out on my own I got my own Pit Bull (now I have two, with a third on the way----can you tell how much I love them??? :lol: :lol: ) Neither of my dogs are human aggressive or animal aggressive. Here's one for you...one day I took both of my dogs for a walk in the park. Towards the end of our walk we encountered a poodle...yes I said a poodle. This dog started barking and lunging at my dogs, baring its teeth and just going crazy trying to claw my dogs' eyes out. Do you know what my two EXTREMELY DANGEROUS pit bulls did? They stood there and looked at this poodle as if to say "What the hell is wrong with you?" They had no idea what was up with this dog. When they meet other dogs..there only concern is whether or not they are going to play with each other...I don't even think they would know how to be aggressive. Here's another example of a DANGEROUS dog...my father brought home a Pit Bull named Nikko one day. Nikko had a very bad history, but my father new that she was going to be a good dog..so he took a chance on her and rescued her from a terrible living situation. While with her previous owner...Nikko was kept in a basement and was left down there to chase rats. Quite frequently, she was beaten with a broom. When my father brought her home we all were a little uneasy knowing her past, but we thought we might be able to change her. Guess what... no change needed. Yes, she was abused, but she was the most loving dog ever! She protected my younger brother and sister and myself like that was her main focus in life. She would even try to protect my little brother when my sister and I used to smack him around. So how would you classify Nikko as a dangerous dog? Just thought maybe one of the "PIT BULL EXPERTS" :roll: :roll: could help me out with that one????? Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted July 23, 2002 Posted July 23, 2002 I keep forgetting to login. The last guest reply was me!! :oops: Quote
Guest roo Posted July 24, 2002 Posted July 24, 2002 Sibehusky, Everyone has opinions, but WE DO NOT ALLOW RUDENESS ON THIS BOARD, I have deleted your swear words, but i am going to leave this topic on untill later for jacsmom to see, then it will be decided as to whether or not this topic will carry on. I am sure you can think of other words to use to get your point across Roo Quote
GizmoRedNosePit Posted July 24, 2002 Posted July 24, 2002 I have given myself a couple days to cool off with sibe husky's opinion, I am not going to waste my time, becuase I treat my dog with love and she is not mean and shows NO part of it. Ohh yeah Sibe Husky BY THE WAY: If a pitbull stays inside and goes outside when it wants you say that is wrong right???? Well I guess I have just saddest pit bull pup in the world then! Becuase you know what she is inside all day and only goes out when she goes pee, now if she wags her tail and oves playing inside is that such a bad thing?? Well that is my .02 Cents....Your pointless saying that and I think it is VERY FUNNY! HAHAHAHAHAAA....I feel sorry for your dogs that are tied up outside, hot, and sad...because while you are inside int eh nice cool a/c they are outside asking LET ME IN...... :wink: Just thought I would let you know that! Quote
GizmoRedNosePit Posted July 24, 2002 Posted July 24, 2002 See that is what I was wondering, but all I can say is I hope they aren't that badly treated, it worries me also Newfie mom.....but we cant really do anything.... :( Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted July 24, 2002 Posted July 24, 2002 People that are ignorant about pitbulls and haven't even met one up close and personal are the ones that are so easily influenced by the miserable media! :evil: I use to fall into this catagory awhile ago, always fearing that the two we had in our neighbourhood would attack us for nothing. Or attack my dogs. All the "stories" and myths on how pitbulls' minds just snap and they turn on their own masters scared me. Until I met a red pitbull at an adoption fair. She changed everything! She loves people, especially kids, and was happy to lick them to death. So from there on, I met so many (both in shelters and one that was taken in off the streets) more, did more research on them and reading. I say these dogs are the sweetest dogs. People dogs! :D Oh and about the "dog killing cats and other dogs" come on now, pitbulls are not all about killing and attacking. I met a siberian husky that kills cats for crying outloud. Pitbulls are not killing machines eventhough they were bred and were made to be so in the past. They don't have some kind of killing gene or something. They are just the "above and beyond" dog. Dumb people who get these dogs for "guard/protection" or just to show off and don't have a clue about the breed give these dogs a bad rep. The only "dangerous" dog is an untrained one with an ignorant owner to match. Quote
GizmoRedNosePit Posted July 24, 2002 Posted July 24, 2002 They are just the "above and beyond" dog. Yes they are! Aren't they the cutest also! I love my pit! :D Quote
GizmoRedNosePit Posted July 24, 2002 Posted July 24, 2002 yup, allways great to hear!! Cute Sahsa!! I like!! Quote
GizmoRedNosePit Posted July 24, 2002 Posted July 24, 2002 An update on what happened with me writing that guy..... He actually did write back I this is what he wrote back.... I wrote that one and this is what he came back with! 1st Email: Maybe I am confused. I am being bombarded by email from people who apparently did not take the time to watch or read the news story we ran. I have attached the transcript of the news story please note the interview with the city bylaw officer Who points out that breed specific bylaws do not work. Perhaps before all the pit bull lovers in the world get so upset they should actually read or watch what they are reacting to and not react to rumour and innuendo found on the internet. AS FOR THIS COMMENT: Please reconsider what you believe and give ALL of us a chance...... How dare you even pretend to know what I believe. Our station never took a view point. Methinks thou dost protest too much 2nd Email back to me!Please forward this to all the newsgroups that have been foaming at the mouth for no good reason. Thank you 3rd Email Back to me!! We are in calgary alberta canada. where are you? Question: if you - and it would seem many others too- never saw the story why are you responding to it? And if you saw the tone of many of the emails - some of which, unlike yours, are threatening in nature - you'd use the phrase foaming at the mouth too. I worry about people who send threatening emails owning dogs of any kind (or cats for that matter, or having children etc etc.). And while less disturbing I worry about people who respond to news stories without having read or seen them. I worry even more about how those same stories are portrayed as they spread across the internet becoming embellished a bit more at each forwarding. That's not responsible actions especially from people who write us telling us how responsible they are. I was very calm and smart about writting back to this reporter and I actually sent him a picture of Gizmo BUT It seemed like he started understanding that is would be discrimination if they did ban pits and that we all are just trying to make sure we can have our "Children" with us all their life... :wink: All I could do is try RIGHT! Quote
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