Guest Anonymous Posted July 5, 2002 Posted July 5, 2002 Does anyone know about Demodex Manage. I have researched it on the net and found lots of information. Here is what happened. My dad rescued a female from a really bad person that was being mean to his dog, he would kick her if she came near him. She is the sweetest thing. Okay, I saw that man's wife at the store and she is a nice lady. She asked me how Suzy was doing and I told she was fine. She said the male that bred her had demodex manage when he was a puppy, so we may want to take the puppies to the vet. I must have had a stupid look on my face. She then said, oh you didn't know Suzy was bred. No, I didn't and dad didn't either. I really feel stupid now because mom and I thought she just weaned a litter of puppies because she has milk. It's the other way around. That is why he was glad to get rid of her. From what I read on the net, the demodex comes from the mother. But Suzy's old owner said the dog that bred her had it when he was a puppy and his daddy had it too. Will these puppies have it? If you are wondering, dad is so mad at that guy! Suzy was to be spayed next week. May have to hold off on that until after the pups are borned. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted July 5, 2002 Posted July 5, 2002 Carter napisał(a):Does anyone know about Demodex Manage. I have researched it on the net and found lots of information. Here is what happened. My dad rescued a female from a really bad person that was being mean to his dog, he would kick her if she came near him. She is the sweetest thing. Okay, I saw that man's wife at the store and she is a nice lady. She asked me how Suzy was doing and I told she was fine. She said the male that bred her had demodex manage when he was a puppy, so we may want to take the puppies to the vet. I must have had a stupid look on my face. She then said, oh you didn't know Suzy was bred. No, I didn't and dad didn't either. I really feel stupid now because mom and I thought she just weaned a litter of puppies because she has milk. It's the other way around. That is why he was glad to get rid of her. From what I read on the net, the demodex comes from the mother. But Suzy's old owner said the dog that bred her had it when he was a puppy and his daddy had it too. Will these puppies have it? If you are wondering, dad is so mad at that guy! Suzy was to be spayed next week. May have to hold off on that until after the pups are borned. Its a hereditary problem so it doesn't just have to come from the mother. You can ask your vet about spaying her anyway but if she is close enough to term to be in milk the pups will be here too soon I think. Hard as it sounds you do not have to raise all the pups - finding good homes for dogs with health problems can be awfully hard. Also from here there is no way of telling how physically able the dam will be to take proper care of the pups if she has been mistreated and improperly fed etc Again talk to your vet about this. If you do end up raising pups have them spayed or neutered before you place them so the cycle of this hereditary disease does not continue. Again talk with your vet about what the right thing to do is. Good luck - pups are A LOT of work! Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted July 5, 2002 Posted July 5, 2002 Our vet, today, suggested the pups be euthanized at birth. Dad goes along with the vet and trusts him. Quote
Guest roo Posted July 7, 2002 Posted July 7, 2002 This is so sad, i feel so sorry for the dam and the unborn babies, the previous owner is total idiot, glad he no longer has the bitch. I still think to put the babies to sleep as soon as born is a bit harsh, i would check what other vets think, i know your dad trusts this vet, but a second opinion on it would not hurt. Roo Please let us know how things go Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted July 7, 2002 Posted July 7, 2002 Carter napisał(a):Our vet, today, suggested the pups be euthanized at birth. Dad goes along with the vet and trusts him. It will be hard to do but finding good homes for even healthy mixbred pups can be very hard. I applaud your veterinarians courage to give the best solution instead of the easiest answer. I think mamma dog is really lucky to have found good people at last! Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted July 7, 2002 Posted July 7, 2002 Anonymous napisał(a):Carter napisał(a):Our vet, today, suggested the pups be euthanized at birth. Dad goes along with the vet and trusts him. It will be hard to do but finding good homes for even healthy mixbred pups can be very hard. I applaud your veterinarians courage to give the best solution instead of the easiest answer. I think mamma dog is really lucky to have found good people at last! She is fullblood, AKC registered and so was the father (same breed). They were bought as breeding pairs (I think). And things didn't work out, the guy is just basically a jerk. We were planning on having her spayed anyway. A second opinion, from another vet ---- he said the pups may not be affected, catch it early if they are, good nutrition for the growing pups, and everything may be okay. She is in good condition, just mentally and physically abused. She is making her babies a bed in the closet. The closet has a linoleum floor and is a walk in one, so she has plenty of room. Which ever way this goes, she is getting spayed as soon as possible. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted July 8, 2002 Posted July 8, 2002 Just curious... what kind of dog is this? Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted July 8, 2002 Posted July 8, 2002 Oh gosh! This is the worst thing! I will post my story.. I wanted a purebred dog to show. I looked and researched every breed and finally decided on the beagle. I was thrilled to look in the paper about 3 months later and see beagle pups for sale. I called and the males were $350. I had to earn all the money by myself as with everything else I own. But I din't care I loved it. I did not have all the money yet but my mom said I could borrow it from my savings and pay it back little by little. The next week I went to pick up my pup. When I got there the "breeder" introduced herself and showed me to the pups. I checked over the dad and he was beautiful.. the mom was ok. There were two litters there and the breeder said that they nurse from both moms. The other mom had hair missing.. I should have thought ok don't buy this pup there will be more from healthier moms! Well I didn't think anything of it though. So I took little Fred home. About 4-5 weeks later his hair started falling out. I was very worried and begged my mom to take him to the vet with me. She said lets just give it more time and maybe it will heal. Well practially over night he got little puss bumps and it smelled very bad. We finally took him into the vet. They did skin scrapes to make sure it was not scabies. It was demderitox mange. They suggested a "dip" every 2 weeks to get rid of it. They said it was the worst case they had ever seen. They said he might get scared so bad that I might not be able to show him. I was mad at the breeder for not being trueful and vey sad. They kept him over night and did a dip. It turns out he had an allegric reaction to the dip and got horribly sick almost dieing. I called my uncle who is a vet and he said that they should have never done a dip to a puppy that young. I called my breeder and ask her why the one mom dog had no hair and she said that she had heat rash.. I did not belive her and called my uncle and ask him if dogs even get heat rash and he said he didn't even think dogs get it and if they did it would not make their hair fall out. I finally got the only treament that would work on him. Its acctually for cows. It cleared it up in a matter of 2 weeks. I still had to keep it on him for 8 months to make sure all the mites were dead. I later found out that my so called "breeder" was not even the breeder! I still to this day do not know who she is. And through months of my personal invistigation found out that the people I bought my beagle from is just a big puppy mill. :cry: It was a horrible experience to go through. We had mounds of vet bills. I have pics of how awful he looked but do not have a digital camera so I can not get them posted. An update on the puppy mill..... they busted it a while back and it is no longer in buisness... as for the lady who sold me my pup... I don't know what happened to her. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted July 9, 2002 Posted July 9, 2002 And it's DEMODEX MANGE, not demderitox mange. It usually clears up around the age of 1 year. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted July 9, 2002 Posted July 9, 2002 My older dog had demodex when he was about 5 mos and it lasted for months. First, the vet would give him injections once a week. After a month, with no signs of progress, we started to give him dips. That didn't seem to be working either. I went to another vet to get a second opinion and he suggested to keep up with the dipping and if they still didn't work..then my pup would eventually grow out of it. At that point, I was extremely nervous because my second puppy was due to fly in from CA in a few days,and I didn't want her to catch it. Finally, the mites went away. Here's the thing...we just noticed the other day(this is 7 mos later) that the youngest pup has a few bald spots that are starting to show. We took her to the vet and I know that it's demodex. I was suprised that my other dog didn't have it...but sure enough..we got home and he had a small bald spot on his back. Does anyone know if this is something that is reoccuring? What causes it? I just think that it's weird that BOTH of my dogs got it when they were pups. Rocky(my older dog) was from a shelter so I have no idea about his parents. But Lexie(the pup) is from a reputable breeder, who never mentioned anything about her parents having this. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted July 9, 2002 Posted July 9, 2002 I haven't noticed the older dog scratching at all, but the little one will sometimes chew at it. Neither of them are red or anything, but I just hate having to go thru all of this again, so I wanted to see a vet ASAP. When we had to go thru this before it seemed to clear up on it's own as well. We were constantly giving him dips and then one week, we forgot and the next thing we knew his fur was growing back. I really felt as if I was being taken advantage of last time. I was constantly shelling out money to the vet for scrapes, visits, creams, etc.. I want to believe that it will again clear up on its own, but I hate seeing my dogs with all these little bald spots. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted July 9, 2002 Posted July 9, 2002 CANINE DEMODEX MANGE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Canine demodex mange is caused by a micro-organism, Demodex canis. This micro-organism normaly lives in the hair follicles. They are transmitted to the puppies, by the mother, during the 2 or 3 first days of life. In the cases where the mange develops, it is due to the fact that we can find a lot more D. canis than what we find normaly. Those affected dogs have a genetical predisposition, and this infection is not contagious for humans or other dogs. The problem is due to a immunitary deficience, often temporary. There are two forms of demodex mange. The located and the generalized. LOCATED DEMODEX MANGE This form usualy develops at a young age (3 to 12 months). The dog is most often affected at the levels of the head and front legs. We can observe small circular zones of alopecia, and pruritus. The prognostic is very good. In 90% of cases, the infection will heal without treatment, within 4-8 weeks. GENERALIZED DEMODEX MANGE In 10% of cases, located demodex mange will become generalized. The dog will be affected in large portions of the body, particularly at the level of the head and legs. Often, the lesions get bacterial infections. In a very small poucentage the lesions will heal by themselves, but in almost all cases, they will require long medical treatment. Some canine breeds have a predisposition to develop generalized demodex mange. Some of them are: Bobtail, Colley, Afgan, German Shephard, Doberman, Dalmation, Great Dane, English Bulldog, Boxer, Boston Terrier, Pug, Teckel, Chihuahua, Sharpei, Beagle and Pointers. The predisposition is often genetical. So when you're looking for a breeder, make sure that the kennel is free from demodex mange. The veterinarian will be able to diagnose the infection by skin scrapings of the areas. This skin infection is one of the most difficult to treat, but with the adequate treatment, dogs are cured in the majority of cases. The bacterial infections will be treated by antibiotics. Hair will be clipped, the skin will be washed with a keratolytic and antiseborreic shampoo. Then, an acaricide (Ronnela or Amitraz) will be applied. a few treatments will be required over several weeks (5 to 12). How to prevent canine demodex mange: DON'T BREED A DOG WHO HAS BEEN INFECTED BY DEMODEX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This Veterinarian says he'll answer any question on line: http://www.drlarrypetvet.com/ Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted July 9, 2002 Posted July 9, 2002 This is a good website with some interesting question and answers. http://www.thepetcenter.com/exa/dem.html Quote
mouseatthebusstop Posted July 28, 2002 Posted July 28, 2002 my six month old shar-pei puppy is having trouble now. i have to wash her leg every 4/5 days in the solution. i have been treating her for two weeks now. i hope it clears up soon Quote
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