Guest Anonymous Posted June 28, 2002 Posted June 28, 2002 Hi- I have two dog, one is germ shep mix and the other is germ shep/boxer mix. They are fighting over treats but not over food that we leave out for them. Does anyone know why? Also if they fight now will they cont. to fight as they grow older? We are concerned that if they get bigger they could cuase greater harm to each other? If one gets fixed will this help? Thank you for your input!! Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted June 29, 2002 Posted June 29, 2002 Guest napisał(a):Hi- I have two dog, one is germ shep mix and the other is germ shep/boxer mix. They are fighting over treats but not over food that we leave out for them. Does anyone know why? Also if they fight now will they cont. to fight as they grow older? We are concerned that if they get bigger they could cuase greater harm to each other? If one gets fixed will this help? Thank you for your input!! Unless you control the situation by making them obey you before getting a treat yes the problem will keep on growing. Treats should be limited to rewards for performing a command such as sit or down and should be handed out by name with the other dog not permitted to barge in until told the next treat is theirs. I suggest neutering both dogs as testosterone is the last thing you need in this situation. I also suggest basic obedience classes for both. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted June 29, 2002 Posted June 29, 2002 do you have two dogfood bowls? how do you give them treats and do they fight hard or just play fight? i dont think you should worry unless they are hurting eachother. Quote
Peng1zrule Posted June 30, 2002 Posted June 30, 2002 Guest napisał(a):Hi- I have two dog, one is germ shep mix and the other is germ shep/boxer mix. They are fighting over treats but not over food that we leave out for them. Does anyone know why? Also if they fight now will they cont. to fight as they grow older? We are concerned that if they get bigger they could cuase greater harm to each other? If one gets fixed will this help? Thank you for your input!! you may be giving treats in the wrong order. when I go to give out my treats, I have to give them out in a certain order, or the alpha dog will be aggressive to the one who got the treat instead of her. However, if I give her a treat first, then the beta dog, she will be calm and not mind at all. you can curb the fights by making the dogs do a sit and down-stay before handing them the treats. pups will fight to decide who is alpha and who is beta. do they have things to play tug of war with? this may help fights or it may help them decide who is stronger without having to fight, it depends on the dogs. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted June 30, 2002 Posted June 30, 2002 Peng1zrule napisał(a):Guest napisał(a):Hi- I have two dog, one is germ shep mix and the other is germ shep/boxer mix. They are fighting over treats but not over food that we leave out for them. Does anyone know why? Also if they fight now will they cont. to fight as they grow older? We are concerned that if they get bigger they could cuase greater harm to each other? If one gets fixed will this help? Thank you for your input!! you may be giving treats in the wrong order. when I go to give out my treats, I have to give them out in a certain order, or the alpha dog will be aggressive to the one who got the treat instead of her. However, if I give her a treat first, then the beta dog, she will be calm and not mind at all. you can curb the fights by making the dogs do a sit and down-stay before handing them the treats. pups will fight to decide who is alpha and who is beta. do they have things to play tug of war with? this may help fights or it may help them decide who is stronger without having to fight, it depends on the dogs. YOU should be alpha. YOU should be able to hand out treats in any order that you choose, because YOU are the utimate alpha. By you handing out treats in the order that they are demanding, they are making you omega............. Quote
Peng1zrule Posted July 2, 2002 Posted July 2, 2002 YOU should be alpha. YOU should be able to hand out treats in any order that you choose, because YOU are the utimate alpha. By you handing out treats in the order that they are demanding, they are making you omega.............[/quote] I don't think so. Just so you don't get at me again...I AM alpha. when I speak of my "alpha" dog I mean that she is higher up than the other dogs. By handing out treats in that order, I am avoiding fights. There isn't a single dog of mine that dares to growl over anything that I want. At times I have been heavy handed with the dogs, but you will never see a post from me saying "oh, he bit me and I just wanted his toy!" my dogs KNOW better than to be dominant to me because I am not afraid to be dominant back to them. And...you seem to know about pack order...surely you know it doesn't end with alpha and beta. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted July 2, 2002 Posted July 2, 2002 Peng1zrule napisał(a):YOU should be alpha. YOU should be able to hand out treats in any order that you choose, because YOU are the utimate alpha. By you handing out treats in the order that they are demanding, they are making you omega............. I don't think so. Just so you don't get at me again...I AM alpha. when I speak of my "alpha" dog I mean that she is higher up than the other dogs. By handing out treats in that order, I am avoiding fights. There isn't a single dog of mine that dares to growl over anything that I want. At times I have been heavy handed with the dogs, but you will never see a post from me saying "oh, he bit me and I just wanted his toy!" my dogs KNOW better than to be dominant to me because I am not afraid to be dominant back to them. And...you seem to know about pack order...surely you know it doesn't end with alpha and beta. That clears up some stuff. Yes, I do know that it doesn't stop with alpha/beta. It goes in a most definant pecking order from the top to the lowest one on the bottom. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted July 4, 2002 Posted July 4, 2002 YOU should be alpha. YOU should be able to hand out treats in any order that you choose, because YOU are the utimate alpha. By you handing out treats in the order that they are demanding, they are making you omega............. If you have to hand out treats in the order they demand you definitely have a problem. The leader can choose to hand out his or her food as they please and if they have control over the situation there will be no fighting among the lower level dogs over the decision the leader makes. A simple way to establish control is to determine which rules you want followed. In my house dogs sit for after dinner scraps and are called by name to get the item offered in any order I happen to name them. ONLY the called dog gets the treat everyone else has to be patient and sit and wait. In years past the cats were included in this routine too but my current cats prefer being catered to in another room from the herd of dogs :lol: Quote
Peng1zrule Posted July 4, 2002 Posted July 4, 2002 I had a problem when the larger male thought I shouldn't tell him to get off the couch. I had a problem when a female growled when I put my hand in her bowl. I had a problem when one put his mouth on my hand to try to intimidate me out of brushing him. I do not have a problem by honoring the pecking order they have worked out. I do not wish to force the weaker female higher up in the order, because she does not want to be higher. When dogs fight, what is the advice most often handed out? "honor the pack order, and the fights will stop. walk the alpha first, feed the alpha first..." Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted July 4, 2002 Posted July 4, 2002 [quote name='Peng1zrule']I had a problem when the larger male thought I shouldn't tell him to get off the couch. I had a problem when a female growled when I put my hand in her bowl. I had a problem when one put his mouth on my hand to try to intimidate me out of brushing him. I do not have a problem by honoring the pecking order they have worked out. I do not wish to force the weaker female higher up in the order, because she does not want to be higher. When dogs fight, what is the advice most often handed out? "honor the pack order, and the fights will stop. walk the alpha first, feed the alpha first..." Well if the pack order starts with you as the leader the other dogs ALL have to do as you say. Indeed I find it beneficial to mix up the order in which I call the dogs for treats as they have to stay alert to determine when its their turn. I think the advice you quote is for people who are having problems being the leader in their home and actually simply backs up one of the dogs as being the real leader. In real packs the leader can 'elevate' any dog it chooses and no other dog can object in front of the leader about it. Pack order still holds on other things but that order is far more fluid than some of the older writings indicate. I think you will find this article interesting - I liked the 'bitches first amendment' ;-) http://www.geocities.com/Augusta/2525/posses.htm and this one too http://www.clickersolutions.com/clickersolutions/articles/macho.htm Quote
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