Puppy's Shots?

[Guest Anonymous]

Do you think this whole deal with having to bring a puppy four separate times for shots is a scam for vets to cash in on? Does a puppy actually need that many shots? Is there an authority here who can expose this if it is a scam?

For example, because my Pups are now 12 weeks old the Vet said they don't require the first shot which is for between 8-12 weeks of age. They go on to the next one. So in fact the first shot appears to be a scam for extra cash in the Vets pocket.

-Hollywood

P.S. Before anyone gets me wromg here, I believe in protecting my Pits health 100 %.

[Guest Anonymous]

I don't belive its a scam or anything but I have wondered why they can't just give them one big shot instead of the "series" Does anybody know??

[Guest Anonymous]

Hollywood napisał(a):

Do you think this whole deal with having to bring a puppy four separate times for shots is a scam for vets to cash in on? Does a puppy actually need that many shots? Is there an authority here who can expose this if it is a scam?

For example, because my Pups are now 12 weeks old the Vet said they don't require the first shot which is for between 8-12 weeks of age. They go on to the next one. So in fact the first shot appears to be a scam for extra cash in the Vets pocket.

-Hollywood

P.S. Before anyone gets me wromg here, I believe in protecting my Pits health 100 %.

If you don't even understand shot schedules what the heck are you doing with multiple pups?
Immune system responses is at issue here - why not go look it up?

[Guest Anonymous]

Hollywood:
Shots are the most important part of puppyhood. adult dog shots are too powerful for a growing puppies immune system. if they were to get full blown shots they could easily die.
I dont mean any harm and i hope this made you understand why puppy shots are neccessary.

Hope you understand,
Puppies411

[Guest Anonymous]

Thanks for your help.

-Hollywood

[Guest Anonymous]

Hollywood napisał(a):

Do you think this whole deal with having to bring a puppy four separate times for shots is a scam for vets to cash in on? Does a puppy actually need that many shots? Is there an authority here who can expose this if it is a scam?

For example, because my Pups are now 12 weeks old the Vet said they don't require the first shot which is for between 8-12 weeks of age. They go on to the next one. So in fact the first shot appears to be a scam for extra cash in the Vets pocket.

-Hollywood

P.S. Before anyone gets me wromg here, I believe in protecting my Pits health 100 %.

Puppies gain their first immunities to diseases from their mothers colostrum milk and from subsequent nursing.
This is why the dam should be up to date on her shots before being bred.
Puppies start losing that initial immunity sometime between 6-8 weeks and pretty much have lost it all by 16 weeks.
While they still have the immunity passed on from their mother the immunization shots will not completely work on the pups.
However no one can predict just when the immunity will wear off so the safest thing to ensure the pup's health is that they get a series of shots covering the dangerous diseases on a schedule starting at 7 or 8 weeks and spaced on a two or three week period.
By not having the early shots the pups were at risk for parvo distemper etc
Because those early shots were skipped the best thing to do is immunize now then continue the end of the series and hope the pups were not infected with anything prior to the shots being given.
Any responsible breeder will not let a pup go before at least its first set of shots are given and initial worming done and of course a vet health exam.
I think its sad that people do not ask their veterinarians questions when they have medical ones like this but instead ask strangers of unknown qualifications for information they should have IMO had well before the pups ever arrived.

[Guest Anonymous]

Guest how long should would you give puppy shots? Lady sent a cross post the other day on a forum and had lost a show pup (22 wks approx. Lab) had all of shots except a 20 wks booster. She was stating to give a 20 wk booster due to the fact no one knew when the mothers colostrum immunity wore off. I am just curious as I stop at 16wks which I do as a precaution.

I have also read that Pits, Rotties, and Dobes are harder to gain immunity to such things as parvo, distemper and etc.. I do not know the truth in that but I have read it... It also said to give them a booster at 16 wks. I will try to find the link for it!! :wink:

[Guest Anonymous]

I called the vet's office today about the dogs not getting their first shot. I did this because when I was at the Vet's office getting their shots yesterday, and while paying the receptionist she said they got the second shot for 12 weeks age and didn't need the first one for 8 weeks.

Anyway the Vet's office said it was their first shot they got yesterday and that the girl was mistaken. Sorry.

[Guest Anonymous]

you must have figured everything out

[Guest Anonymous]

Jacsmom napisał(a):

Guest how long should would you give puppy shots? Lady sent a cross post the other day on a forum and had lost a show pup (22 wks approx. Lab) had all of shots except a 20 wks booster. She was stating to give a 20 wk booster due to the fact no one knew when the mothers colostrum immunity wore off. I am just curious as I stop at 16wks which I do as a precaution.

I have also read that Pits, Rotties, and Dobes are harder to gain immunity to such things as parvo, distemper and etc.. I do not know the truth in that but I have read it... It also said to give them a booster at 16 wks. I will try to find the link for it!! :wink:

Its true you just don't know when the shot will hit the immune system that is ready to take and make antibodies.
Sad for the person to lose a pup but if exposure happened to precede the last set of shots - well it happens that you can lose one.
Also I would ask about thyroid problems and other immuno deficiency problems in the line. I understand from friends there is a lot of thyroid issues in Labs of some show lines and that effects the immune system response. You could give all the shots in the world and a dog with a suppressed immune response would get no good from them.
I believe anyone breeding should be looking to breed for health and ability to thrive in addition to all the breed standard items. No allergic dogs, no thyroid problem dogs, nothing like that should be in anyones breeding program - needless to say I'm a small voice in a large wilderness when it comes to making that statement in certain show circles.
My personal choice in vaccines is Proguard 5 as I don't do lepto with my dogs due to where I live.

[Guest Anonymous]

You can buy puppy shots from a local feed store or the pharmacy. All you have to do is go to the vet for the rabies shots. That is the the only shot that is not certified because it is partial live bacterias. And if such a case happened and the syringe got broke and the bacteria escaped, they would multiply and possibly get your dogs sick. We give all of our puppies there shots, excluding rabies. The instructions how mix it to do it are usually on the package. Then you pull up the scruff of the puppy's neck and stick the needle in and inject it. Most puppies' do not flinch. Though some yelp with the prick of the needle. I hope this has helped you.

Lafayette

[Guest Anonymous]

[quote name='Lafayette Kennels']You can buy puppy shots from a local feed store or the pharmacy. All you have to do is go to the vet for the rabies shots. That is the the only shot that is not certified because it is partial live bacterias. And if such a case happened and the syringe got broke and the bacteria escaped, they would multiply and possibly get your dogs sick. We give all of our puppies there shots, excluding rabies. The instructions how mix it to do it are usually on the package. Then you pull up the scruff of the puppy's neck and stick the needle in and inject it. Most puppies' do not flinch. Though some yelp with the prick of the needle. I hope this has helped you.

Lafayette

Rabies innoculations are in the form of a "KILLED" virus, they are not live, nor are they bacterias.

The only shot that is not certified? What are you talking about? Some states allow the owners to innoculate for Rabies, some do not. Rabies vaccinations are not "certified", because it is the state law.

[Guest Anonymous]

Here, in utah, you are NOT allowed to give your dogs rabies vaccines because they are not certified for home injection, and yes, also because of law. And the vet told us when we took our pup about 2 months ago that the virus was partially alive though dormant, basically dead, but not.

[Guest Anonymous]

Lafayette Kennels napisał(a):

Here, in utah, you are NOT allowed to give your dogs rabies vaccines because they are not certified for home injection, and yes, also because of law. And the vet told us when we took our pup about 2 months ago that the virus was partially alive though dormant, basically dead, but not.

There was no dispute that Utah is a Federally Regulated State. The following states are Federally Regulated States: AK, AL, AR, CA, CT, GA, HI, ID, IN, KS, MD, ME, MN, MO, MS, MT, NC, ND, NV, NJ, NM, NY, OR, RI, SC, TN, TX, UT, WA, WV, & KY. The other 18 States are not regulated - meaning the Rabie innoculation can be purchased and given by the owner.

Do you know which innoculation he used? The name should be on the certifice. They are classified as "Inactive" or "Killed".

The only "live" virus is an oral vaccine for Raccoons.

[Guest Anonymous]

[quote name='"Tic Docdnip valid info on vaccinations and vaccines
The only "live" virus is an oral vaccine for Raccoons.[/quote']

Usually its the lower quality brands that are available at feed stores as those are the ones going for the non bulk market. I know in the catalogs that carry the good vaccines you must buy in bulk packs of 24 vaccines at a time.
I didn't think even the oral rabies was a live vaccine - I'd love to see it if you have a site with a cite on it for that - as I think if given the live virus in any shape the full blown disease develops not to mention no one can guarantee the bait will be eaten only by wildlife.
I always have the vet do the rabies vaccinations for me - reason? I want a vet practice behind me helping to keep my dogs alive if they ever get exposed somehow!

[Guest Anonymous]

Guest,
I stand corrected, the oral innoculation for raccoon's is an "Inactive" innoculate. The Vector or carrier is live. The website is listed for your enjoyment.

This is from the website: E) ORAL (Rabies glycoprotein, live vaccina vector) RESTRICTED TO USE IN STATE AND FEDERAL RABIES CONTROL PROGRAMS. To be used for raccoons.

http://www.tdh.state.tx.us/zoonosis/regs/VACCINE/rabvacc.asp

I have always questioned the integrity of the vaccines available at pet stores, feed stores, and other sundry's as these. We purchase all of our vaccines (except Rabies) from a vet supply store.

Yep, totally agree, I want the certification of the Veterinarian that the innoculation was given correctly if the situation (of a bite, accidental or otherwise) were to arise.

[Guest Anonymous]

[quote name='Tic Doc']Guest,
I stand corrected, the oral innoculation for raccoon's is an "Inactive" innoculate. The Vector or carrier is live. The website is listed for your enjoyment.

This is from the website: E) ORAL (Rabies glycoprotein, live vaccina vector) RESTRICTED TO USE IN STATE AND FEDERAL RABIES CONTROL PROGRAMS. To be used for raccoons.

http://www.tdh.state.tx.us/zoonosis/regs/VACCINE/rabvacc.asp

I have always questioned the integrity of the vaccines available at pet stores, feed stores, and other sundry's as these. We purchase all of our vaccines (except Rabies) from a vet supply store.

Yep, totally agree, I want the certification of the Veterinarian that the innoculation was given correctly if the situation (of a bite, accidental or otherwise) were to arise.

Thanks for the info :-) Rabies is one of those diseases it pays to be educated on! I think it pays anyone breeding to know about vaccines etc too- even if its only to share the data :-)

[Guest Anonymous]

ok I just got a new puppy... I've posted a few questions already (coughing and ticks)...

I live in Jamaica. They don't have rabies here so they don't vacinate for it. I've always just taken my dogs to the vet for the shots in the U.S. I just moved here. It's a little different here so I want to educate myself more since I'm not as confident in the vets here.

Can someone tell me what shots he should be given when or point me to a website with the info? Remember it's a 3rd world country and I have to worry about different things here.... I'm not even sure what but I'm sure there are different viruses, etc.

By the way my puppy is a mixed breed. The mother is a Great Dane/Ridgeback and the father is a Rotwieller/Alsation. I know the breeder of the father. Here I actually paid $120 for the mix. As soon as I get a picture I will post it.

Any advice is appreciated.

[Guest Anonymous]

Not true.... I worked at a vet and we had live and dead rabies shots. It was criticle to know which because some animals cannot have the "live" shots... like ferrets and such. Why they even use "live" shots vs. "Dead" is beyond me...

[Guest Anonymous]

hazelhover napisał(a):

Not true.... I worked at a vet and we had live and dead rabies shots. It was criticle to know which because some animals cannot have the "live" shots... like ferrets and such. Why they even use "live" shots vs. "Dead" is beyond me...

They are NOT live, they are all "INACTIVE". The vector or carrier can be "LIVE", but not the Rabies virus. Look it up.

[Guest Anonymous]

abusser napisał(a):

ok I just got a new puppy... I've posted a few questions already (coughing and ticks)...

I live in Jamaica. They don't have rabies here so they don't vacinate for it. I've always just taken my dogs to the vet for the shots in the U.S. I just moved here. It's a little different here so I want to educate myself more since I'm not as confident in the vets here.

Can someone tell me what shots he should be given when or point me to a website with the info? Remember it's a 3rd world country and I have to worry about different things here.... I'm not even sure what but I'm sure there are different viruses, etc.

By the way my puppy is a mixed breed. The mother is a Great Dane/Ridgeback and the father is a Rotwieller/Alsation. I know the breeder of the father. Here I actually paid $120 for the mix. As soon as I get a picture I will post it.

Any advice is appreciated.

Ticks? Coughing? AND paid $120.00 for a mix? Sounds like the breeder took advantage of a nice, unsuspecting person. Take the puppy back, get a refund and find another one.....one that is HEALTHY!

[Guest Anonymous]

I'm not taking him back that's not really an option. I want to make sure he is treated and given safe place to live.

He was $120 b/c of where I live (Jamaica). It's hard to get a dog that you can even tell what mix he is here. It's not like the states. Most of the mutts look the same here. I have nothing agains muts obviously but I wanted to know the mix.

[Guest Anonymous]

abusser napisał(a):

ok I just got a new puppy... I've posted a few questions already (coughing and ticks)...

I live in Jamaica. They don't have rabies here so they don't vacinate for it. I've always just taken my dogs to the vet for the shots in the U.S. I just moved here. It's a little different here so I want to educate myself more since I'm not as confident in the vets here.

Can someone tell me what shots he should be given when or point me to a website with the info? Remember it's a 3rd world country and I have to worry about different things here.... I'm not even sure what but I'm sure there are different viruses, etc.

By the way my puppy is a mixed breed. The mother is a Great Dane/Ridgeback and the father is a Rotwieller/Alsation. I know the breeder of the father. Here I actually paid $120 for the mix. As soon as I get a picture I will post it.

Any advice is appreciated.

I would say the local vet should know what diseases are endemic BUT if you plan to bring the pup to the US at any point you probably should do the standard DHLPP+Parvo shots - ask your vet if the L (for leptospirosis) component is needed in your area - the others are for standard diseases found in dogs all over AFAIK.

[Guest Anonymous]

Anonymous napisał(a):

I would say the local vet should know what diseases are endemic BUT if you plan to bring the pup to the US at any point you probably should do the standard DHLPP+Parvo shots - ask your vet if the L (for leptospirosis) component is needed in your area - the others are for standard diseases found in dogs all over AFAIK.

Thanks that's the kind of info I wanted!

[Guest Anonymous]

I live in Michigan and I cannot purchase the rabies vaccination. I have to go to the vet. Also in order to license my pets in our city I have to have a certificate signed by a vet saying that my pet has been vaccinated against rabies. It's like that in most cities here.