knee problem

[Guest Anonymous]

My parents' dog has been limping and they took him to the vet. The vet said his ligament is ruptured in is knee and that he needs to have an operation that will cost around $1300 US and that he will need to be kept in the crate for 3 months after the surgury. :(

In the meantime they are suppose to keep him in the crate all the time so he doesn't damage it further. He is a Newfoundland mix and is only about 1 year old. He weighs about 70 pounds. The vet said he is in a lot of pain even though he doesn't seem to be acting like he is in pain to us... except for the limping. He actually loves to run and play with the other 2 dogs.

My sister just got married and my parents are short on cash. Is there anything they can do until they have the money to elevate the pain? We feel horible keeping him in the crate all the time. What are our options? We love him and want to help him.

Thanks!

[Guest Anonymous]

You can give him some medience (pain pills) call the vet and ask him what human pain pills will be ok for him to take how many ext. Alot of people say that human meds can hurt the animal but thats not true. My uncle is a vet and he said its fine.

[Guest Anonymous]

Besides from the pain, as time goes by the damage can increase. I would suggest your parents talk to the vet and explain that they are prepared to spend the money on the dog but that they just don't have it right now and see if the vet will agree to perform the surgery now and allow them to set up a repayment plan. If you are a regular customer, he should do this for you. If he won't, call other vets and see if you can find one that will do this. I'm sure some vet will agree to this. Good luck.

[Guest Anonymous]

beagle88 napisał(a):

You can give him some medience (pain pills) call the vet and ask him what human pain pills will be ok for him to take how many ext. Alot of people say that human meds can hurt the animal but thats not true. My uncle is a vet and he said its fine.

Boy oh boy is that dangerous advice! Many human pain meds can be fatal to dogs! Its all in knowing which one or two are safe and at what dosage level they can be used in dogs. Dogs metabolize many drugs differently than humans do and liver and kidney damage can result from using the wrong meds with them.
I know you said ask the vet (which is appropriate advice) but saying human meds are ok is not something I'd suggest you say to anyone who might miss the 'ask the vet' part and go right to oh its ok to use any stuff for people...

[Guest Anonymous]

abusser napisał(a):

My parents' dog has been limping and they took him to the vet. The vet said his ligament is ruptured in is knee and that he needs to have an operation that will cost around $1300 US and that he will need to be kept in the crate for 3 months after the surgury. :(

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Thanks!

If you can shop around for pricing and find out exactly which surgery the vet needs to do, bear in mind its *common* for the other knee to go once the first one is repaired :( then you might want to do that. Not all vets charge the same for the same surgery. Not all vets even do the repair the same way and some repairs are better than others.
You should notify the breeder of the dog as this could be a hereditary defect.
To help with keeping an energetic pup quiet I suggest planning on also investing in a number of good chew toys to help him burn off some energy.
Ask your vet about using glucosamine to help with the joint pain and inflammation.
Problem with using a pain reduction medication is it will make the dog use the injured limb more not realizing more damage is being done. You can't tell the dog hey this will make you feel better but you have to stay quiet unfortunately.

[Guest roo]

Just out of interest, what breed of dog is he/she?

[Guest Anonymous]

pain pills are not dangerous and good luck.

[Guest Anonymous]

puppies411 napisał(a):

pain pills are not dangerous and good luck.

Several of the commonly used by humans over the counter drugs for pain can be fatal if given to dogs. Even more of the prescriptions ones can be fatal.
Please before listening to anyone on the net about what is safe to give (yep me too you don't know me either) talk to your vet about it and find out if its safe, if its appropriate and what dosage you might be able to use.

[Guest Anonymous]

Anonymous napisał(a):

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Boy oh boy is that dangerous advice! Many human pain meds can be fatal to dogs! Its all in knowing which one or two are safe and at what dosage level they can be used in dogs. Dogs metabolize many drugs differently than humans do and liver and kidney damage can result from using the wrong meds with them.
I know you said ask the vet (which is appropriate advice) but saying human meds are ok is not something I'd suggest you say to anyone who might miss the 'ask the vet' part and go right to oh its ok to use any stuff for people...

It is dangerous advise if you don't read what I wrote carefully. I said call the vet (I ment first) and ask him which kinds are safe for canine use. :D

As for the other part I should have been more careful with what I wrote. You are right certain meds for humans are fatal. Thank you for pointing that out!

[Guest Anonymous]

[quote="beagle88
It is dangerous advise if you don't read what I wrote carefully. I said call the vet (I ment first) and ask him which kinds are safe for canine use. :D

As for the other part I should have been more careful with what I wrote. You are right certain meds for humans are fatal. Thank you for pointing that out!

I've seen so many people only half hear and half read information that its pretty scary - many a dog has harm done to it with only good intentions by the owner who half heard the info or relied on data from someone else who only half heard it. :)
Another consideration is this - say someone else's ver has said that aspirin is ok and you give your dog some for pain at what you think is the right dose but your dog is headed for surgery and you have made its blood thinner and more likely to bleed without clotting by giving it aspirin - OOPS not what was meant when you made your dog feel less pain!

[Guest Anonymous]

sashagirl napisał(a):

puppies411 napisał(a):

pain pills are not dangerous and good luck.

Great advice :roll:

Good lord I hope you didn't mean that! its not good advice IMO to tell people to give their pet drugs that may well kill them!

[Guest Anonymous]

sashagirl napisał(a):

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puppies411 napisał(a):

pain pills are not dangerous and good luck.

Great advice :roll:

Good lord I hope you didn't mean that! its not good advice IMO to tell people to give their pet drugs that may well kill them!

Notice the rolling eyes. I meant it to be sarcastic. Sorry if I came off like I was agreeing... :) I thought it would be obvious.

To tell someone that pain pills are not dangerous is just ignorant. Advice like this, if taken, could prove to be fatal to a dog. :cry: I hope I did not contribute in that. I was trying to be sarcastic.

Sorry missed the rolly eyes - I was raised to read text not pictograms even though I use the smiley's myself here

[Guest roo]

I must admit i never saw the rolly bit before, i like it. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Also pain killers (the not dangerous ones) could actually make the problem worse, the pain goes away, the injury may get worse due to more use of the leg by the dog. Anti inflamitorys may be the better answer for now, and although it is hard as much rest as poss. :lol:

[Guest Anonymous]

thanks for the advice.

To Roo he is a NewFoundland mix... so he's a big boy.

[Guest Anonymous]

While im not sure if ALL pain killers are harmful, i know many are. Asprin, for example causes internal bleeding and will kill the dog. Call the vet and ask what kind of medicine or pain killers to use. DO NOT go raid your medicine cabnent until you are 100% sure that they are safe!

I hope your dog gets better!

[Guest Anonymous]

aspirin....will kill the dog

aspirin will NOT kill a dog. It is prescribed by vets for dogs with many conditions.

Instead of this debate on pain killers and other stuff....this dog needs medical treatment. And how can any of you recommend "pain killers" in general without knowing this dog's medical condition, size, or a particular med. Someone can read this thread and walk away with the idea that they can give pain killers to their dog based on all these unknowledgeable and irresponsible recommendations. What is everyone's qualifications for giving this medical advice? You are crossing over the line.

[Guest Anonymous]

hey nikki, not to be rude, but everytime i see you, you are arguing with someone. do you ever agree? Asprin WILL kill a dog. look it up annywhere that it says asprin is ok for dogs.

[Guest Anonymous]

Candybug...not to be rude....but you are wrong...look it up. Tylenol is deadly to cats & dogs but not aspirin. Aspirin is prescribed for many medical conditions...most common enlarged heart.

By the way Candybug...what is your expertise with dogs??? How many years of experience do you have????

[Guest Anonymous]

Nicki you are right. I know a breeder whom I am also showing for (he breeds gsd) and they get this thing in their legs (forget what it is called) and he gives them Aspirin whenever it causes them pain. Its seems to me that it would not kill the dogs because they are doing great especially in the show ring! :lol:

[Guest Anonymous]

beagle88 napisał(a):

Nicki you are right. I know a breeder whom I am also showing for (he breeds gsd) and they get this thing in their legs (forget what it is called) and he gives them Aspirin whenever it causes them pain. Its seems to me that it would not kill the dogs because they are doing great especially in the show ring! :lol:

Ah but you miss one critical point here - why is the breeder breeding dogs with pano problems?
Aspirin (preferably triple buffered or ascriptin) can be given in certain dosages to dogs in certain situations BUT (notice its a big BUT :) ) you need to do this in conjunction with a vet to get dosage amounts and to make sure its an appropriate drug in the situation. Long term use can cause fatal ulcers, a dog with an injury or an ulcer can have bleeding problems and even die from aspirin use as can one that is scheduled for surgery. If your dog is on other meds the aspirin could interfere with them working. The thing is to work with your vet to help you understand risks, dosages and appropriateness for the meds you want to use.

[Guest Anonymous]

Don't worry... I always listen to the advice her but before giving my dog any med I would consult a vet... Maybe I will start consulting 2 vets b/c their seems to be so many differing oppinions.

I almost lost my cat b/c he got into a plastic bag of ibuprofen. He had to have his stomach pumped and it cost me a lot of $$$. He got the bag out of a drawer that was partially open. I much more careful with my medicine now.

By the way, he isn't limping right now and my mom is going to take the dog to the vet for a 2nd oppinion.

I wish people didn't have to argue so much on this site... but it makes for interesting reading some of the time. Why can't everyone just get along :lol: One Love

[Guest Anonymous]

abusser

I'm glad to hear that the dog is going for a 2nd opinion...that is truly the right thing to do. Good Luck.

[Guest Anonymous]

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beagle88 napisał(a):

Nicki you are right. I know a breeder whom I am also showing for (he breeds gsd) and they get this thing in their legs (forget what it is called) and he gives them Aspirin whenever it causes them pain. Its seems to me that it would not kill the dogs because they are doing great especially in the show ring! :lol:

Ah but you miss one critical point here - why is the breeder breeding dogs with pano problems?
Aspirin (preferably triple buffered or ascriptin) can be given in certain dosages to dogs in certain situations BUT (notice its a big BUT :) ) you need to do this in conjunction with a vet to get dosage amounts and to make sure its an appropriate drug in the situation. Long term use can cause fatal ulcers, a dog with an injury or an ulcer can have bleeding problems and even die from aspirin use as can one that is scheduled for surgery. If your dog is on other meds the aspirin could interfere with them working. The thing is to work with your vet to help you understand risks, dosages and appropriateness for the meds you want to use.

Ahh you are assuming things...AGAIN!! (im shocked) Did I ever say he bred the dogs with pano? NO and hes not. Its only two dogs and hes not breeding them.

[Guest Anonymous]

[quote name='"beagle88Ahh you are assuming things...AGAIN!! (im shocked) Did I ever say he bred the dogs with pano? NO and hes not. Its only two dogs and hes not breeding them.[/quote']

So the person is not a breeder, is not the breeder of these dogs, and doesn't breed the dogs he or she shows? Funny that does not add up to the other things you have been saying about this show breeder person of 30 years experience.
I understand you don't like it that I dare see something wrong in the actions of people you look up to but trying to cover up for them does none of you any particular good.

[Guest Anonymous]

You can't help if your dogs get pano. Its something that they get when they are growing. So its not passed down as you are making it out to be. That is what he told me and I belive him.