Show Breeders Attitudes!

[Shannon_C]

What is everyone elses views on show breeders who have attitudes towards people ?

[Guest Anonymous]

I know a few breeders who are proubly my best friends! I would proubly lay my life down for them. But then again some of them if you don't show as good as to their standards or if you don't have the breed that they like or even if you don't have a breed that they think is show quality they will tell you what they think to your face! Which is very rude! Now I'm not saying this about evey breeder! Someday I will breed and I will give all the helpful tips and info. that I possibly can. So breeders out there who are trying to make their breed better and are nice and not rude in doing so keep up the good work!! :D

[Shannon_C]

Beagle. I too have a few friends who breed and show there dogs within the Bullmastiff breed, in which one is my Penfriend who lives not far from me.
I dont show my dog but i do go occasionally go to see the breed and maybe speak to a few Bullmastiff breeders there, and its seems that because you dont have a dog or you dont have one of there dogs, there seems to be some kind of dislike towards you.
I showed someone a picture of my boy and she stuck her nose up at it, and im thinking what is the problem....are people really there to have fun with showing there dogs or are they there to be funny with others.

I thought showing was suppose to be about having fun even if you lose, and to get on with people.

[Guest Anonymous]

Shannon dog showing is going through some really weird times! :-? Especially in juniors! The judges are just.. not juding how they are supose to. Only some of them that is.

[Guest roo]

I think that within the show scene you get a varitey of different breeders. Few are all helpful, lots are back stabbing, and some have heads so big that they can not get thru a door. They are many who have the i'm it attitude. But there really are a lot of good people out there. In the past I have watched someone just about to go into the ring and someone sticks a photo under their nose, obviously that is not the time to be looking at photos, the breeder/owner was at the show to show the dog. When the person showing came out of the ring they went looking for the person with the photo to see the dog, the photo holder had gone.
I know lots and lots of lovely breeders, but try to keep away from the revolting ones. Yes dog showing is fun, no I don't always agree with the judges choice, anything nasty I want to say I do so on the way home in my car in private, If I don't respect the judge I don't give him/her an entry. But I can see your points, but there are some wonderful people out there who also happen to breed and show. And there are some horrid ones too.

[Shannon_C]

Roo, I have noticed that there are some nice breeders about.....i have spoken to a few, but you also get the odd one that is not. As for this lady who i showed the photo too, she had finished going in the ring and was just sitting there next to her Bullmastiff that i liked the look of....so my fiance and myself thought it was a great opportunity to go and say hello.....she seemed nice at first even when she looked at the photo, but it was only till i said where my Bullmastiff came from and that he was not a show dog, she stuck her nose up...we both saw it as being very rude.
It seems that if you dont show a dog many breeders dont see that you should be there!
Shows are for everyone to go too, whether you show your dog or not.

[Bronxie]

I know nothing about breeders, don't know any, but from watching the dog shows the people do look snotty, but U can never judge a book by it's cover :o

[Horsefeathers!]

One reason I will never get into conformation showing is because it is way too political. At one time, I was considering showing Lhasa Apsos, so I started doing the appropriate homework and talked to what few show people I could get to give me the time of day. I saw some dogs that didn't do so well when handled by the owner that actually won when handled by a professional (popular) handler. I'm sure a lot of it is in the handling, but I just saw too many things that I decided are certainly not for me. Most of the show people I've dealt with are rude snobs (sorry to the show people here who are not). It's too "clique-ish" for me and, in many cases, unfair. I've seen mediocre dogs win over good ones depending on who was on the other end of the lead. While I understand that it's certainly more than a beauty contest and there are many factors to be judged upon, the best dog does not always win. I groom pet dogs (way different than show grooming most breeds) and when I approached handlers for tips, or just wanted to watch, I was often snubbed. No, I didn't ask them as they were entering the ring. Anyway, more power to you if you can put up with the conformation BS. I couldn't do it. Instead, we are doing therapy work and I will probably eventually get into obedience and agility where you are actually judged on performance and there's a lot more fairness involved in the judging.

[Guest Anonymous]

[quote name='Shannon_C']What is everyone elses views on show breeders who have attitudes towards people ?

I've never met a single person who didn't have an attitude of some sort.
Some people get really tired of dealing with novices and newbies and some don't. Some people are teachers and some are not. Some people are in showing for winning only some people are in it because they love their breed. Some people are fine with the first ten or so people and then they have had it. Some people have had a bad day or night or home problems and just don't care about you and your questions - thats the way the world goes sometimes I'm sorry to say.
Some people think pet owners are ok 'in their place' some find the crowding at shows abominable and wish pet owners would not attend.
The key to winning at shows when new is to have a good or great dog well trained and perfectly groomed and handled - ie you need to become a serious hobby show person to do really well at the shows unless you have lucked out and picked a pup that blows the socks off everyone that sees it.
When you find a breeder who shows who is willing to help you and share knowledge - LISTEN even when you don't agree, ask questions politely including where else to go to learn, don't believe half of what you hear about other people but listen to how the dogs are described. Learn how to see good points and bad, good handling and bad and as in all human endeavors be ready to deal with the reality of politics and friendships and emnities you have no control over. Then too go and listen to the other people *even* if your first mentor has bad things to say about them - you can learn from bad as well as good if you learn how to see the differences.
The first show breeder I learned from had no ethics other than win and sell all the pups you can :-( but I learned things from her even if they were things not to do :-)
Its not a jump in and start winning situation and like most sports it takes a lot of effort to do and even more effort to do well.

[Guest Anonymous]

My opinion of this is that they are not having fun and the dogs arent having fun. therefore they need to be out of th ring.

Junior handler and lover of the ring

[Guest roo]

My dogs adore going to shows, I only have to get the showbag out and thats it, leaping around, barking, worrbling,
They also love being in the ring once there, love the judge going over them, usually giving the judge a kiss, even if the judge didn't want one, I don't know how but they even appear to know when they win :o .
I have also in the past had a dog who did not enjoy it, so guess what?
WE stopped showing her.

[Guest Anonymous]

roo, you are the kind of person that we need more of.

[Guest Anonymous]

if you really want to see people at shows that really love there dogs & enjoy the day have a look around the staffordshire bull terrier ring!
Apart from the odd idiot that takes it to seriously.

[Guest Anonymous]

Roo, what kind of dogs do you have??

[Guest roo]

Beagle,
I have had Great Danes for 16 years, but am down to one of them now
The other breed I have are French Bulldogs and have 4, I am interested in all breeds of dogs am not blind to the ones i keep only, Have very many breeder/exhibitor friends from a huge range of breeds, I am the show manager/secretary for a great dane breed club, used to run a ringcraft club(show training) and used to work with breeders/exhibitors.
My son who is 11 has started doing junior handling.
Roo :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Guest Anonymous]

roo napisał(a):

Beagle,
I have had Great Danes for 16 years, but am down to one of them now
The other breed I have are French Bulldogs and have 4, I am interested in all breeds of dogs am not blind to the ones i keep only, Have very many breeder/exhibitor friends from a huge range of breeds, I am the show manager/secretary for a great dane breed club, used to run a ringcraft club(show training) and used to work with breeders/exhibitors.
My son who is 11 has started doing junior handling.
Roo :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

The latest thing around here in ring training is clicker training for the hands free stacking and the gaiting etc :) Funny to see people doing things with a clicker that I just did with praise and treats. I never was one to handle my dog all over to stack it - training it to self stack was so much easier on my back :D

[Guest roo]

Guest i agree, this clicker training thing seems to be taking off, why i will never know, I think that in the show ring praise and treats work wonders.
I must abmit that in the last 8 months at shows these dam clickers have appeared, Can you imagine the scene, your in the ring showing your dog, trying to get the best out of him/her when click click click starts behind you, not just yoiur dog but everyone elses in the class turn around, start fidgiting all are now looking for this noise, wondering what the hell it is most of them begin to look awful, some dogs are scared by the noise they don't know what it is or where it is coming from...... all the dogs looking all over the place all that is but the one whos owner has this dam clicker thing, that is just ignoreing it has heard it so many times, is bored by it, and cant even be bothered to look at it.
Maybe its just used in the ring to put the others in the class off ehh?
Roo

[Guest Anonymous]

I show rottweilers and I laugh at all the SNOBBY rottweiler people there is as they think there dogs are so good and will win,well needless to say when they go in the ring and loose it pisses them off,but the thing that pisses off more is when they loose to a bad dog..

When I show I go in the ring hopefull I am going to win,but if I don't I am not going to cry my eyes out and be pissed at the person that did win..Dog shows are suppose to be in good sportmanships,so what happend to that?Damm the person than invented dog shows as it was not such a good idea.. :roll:

Did you know that dog show people are even more snobby then rich people??Now that is pretty sad if you ask me..Sure you get alot of people out there that do have good dogs and they should be happy they have something to show off,but do they have to act like they are better then everybody elese..I don't think so...

Have an awesome rottie day... :lol:

[Guest roo]

Its the same with double handling in this country, depending on the judge, seems to depend what happens, some judges will tell the exhibitor to stop, some will just let it continue, i personally think it should not be allowed at all, but thats just my opinion.
But thn again in this country double handling is not allowed, yet still happens.

[Guest Anonymous]

roo napisał(a):

Its the same with double handling in this country, depending on the judge, seems to depend what happens, some judges will tell the exhibitor to stop, some will just let it continue, i personally think it should not be allowed at all, but thats just my opinion.
But thn again in this country double handling is not allowed, yet still happens.

Just habituate your dogs to the sound - its no big deal - after all people bring squeaky toys in the ring for bait, make peculiar noises to make their dogs alert, throw liver all over the ring so dogs just have to learn to focus on their handler no matter what distraction - I've been in the ring when chairs collapsed, when dog fights broke out in the next ring, when spectators were cheering and yelling one ring over etc
Cool thing about the clicker is marking the behavior you want and then putting it on cue goes lots faster.
You know I have seen antique show displays of clickers from back when everyone used them to train dogs! they were not used the same way but they were pretty common items back a bit and came in all kinds of interesting shapes and designs.

[Guest roo]

I have been in the ring when tables, chairs colapse too, i am in there when squeeky toys squeek, when bait flys across the ring, that does not upset or put my dogs off, they are normal noises.
Clickers are not normal noises, they should be kept out of the ring, i don't see why i should have to spend time around my house and when i am out click click click clicking away so my dog gets used to the noise.
I would have gone insane after the first 10 minutes.
If people want to train their dogs obedience with clickers fine thats up to them, I have watched a puppy class, all these novice owners click click clicking away trying to get their babies to sit , down etc. All the poor pups were doing was looking around because there was clicking everywhere.
Guest i am sure you love your clickers, i am sure they work for you.
I glad you like them, but i really really HATE THEM USED AT DOG SHOWS.
Roo :lol:

[Guest Anonymous]

roo napisał(a):

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If people want to train their dogs obedience with clickers fine thats up to them, I have watched a puppy class, all these novice owners click click clicking away trying to get their babies to sit , down etc. All the poor pups were doing was looking around because there was clicking everywhere.
Guest i am sure you love your clickers, i am sure they work for you.
I glad you like them, but i really really HATE THEM USED AT DOG SHOWS.
Roo :lol:

Breed ring work is obedience too :-) its just a different kind :D
While IMO the people should be past needing the clicker when they get to a show ring class for real I don't see the noise as any big deal but then I also have my pups doing tunnels, slides, teeter boards etc before they are 8 weeks old and work hard to expose them to as much in the way of noises and people as I can as fast as I can too.

[Guest Anonymous]

Just kurious, wen do the pups have time to be pups 8 weeks seems far too young?

[Guest Anonymous]

Anonymous napisał(a):

Just kurious, wen do the pups have time to be pups 8 weeks seems far too young?

This is part of being pups - having neat things to explore and play with - makes for very smart dogs to have an enriched environment when they are young.