dog colors

[sixjollydogs]

Someone had a post elsewhere about what colors/dog coats pits and mastiffs have so I though that might make an interesting topic. Here is what I understand:

1. I read on a rottie site that red rotties should be avoided as the color does not meet the standard and is a sign of in-breeding. There are long-haired rotties...but not desirable either.

2. Parti-colored poodles can't be registered.

3. White GSD's and boxers can't be registered either.

[Guest Anonymous]

You can register and show an APBT of any color. The all white ones however are not considered "quality" show dogs. We have 5 all white pits that are registered but we dont show them.

[Carolk9s]

Just a little correction/clarification regarding the registering of white GSD's and white Boxers.
I am assuming at this point the parent club would be AKC.
White boxers out of registered parents CAN be registered, but are of a DISQUALIFYING color for the breed ring. They can still compete in most if not all performance type events.
Same with white GSD's.
Within the United Kennel Club, white GSD's are registerable and able to be shown.
Carol and the Variety Pack at:
http://carolk9s.homestead.com/mypage.html

[Guest Anonymous]

Color does not disqualify a dog in the US from being AKC registered unless it serves as an indicator of mix breeding. It will and does keep certain dogs from being 'show quality'. Some breeders who cannot get AKC registration on their dogs lie about why so as to keep their profits up.
Some breeders will lie and say a rare color (ie a mismark) is a more valuable animal due to its 'rarity' despite it not being show or breeding stock according to the standard.
Some colors are not safe to breed same to same due to known negative recessive results - merles for example.
Inbreeding is neither good nor bad - it depends on the dogs being inbred upon what quality the pups are.
Long coat in Rotties is a recessive - could show close breeding or simply serendipitous alignment of genes from completely different lines. The red color is suspect as proof of mixbreeding back in the ancestry probably with the Dobermann.
Inbreeding can help show up both positive and detrimental recessives.
In Germany Harlequin Poodles are allowed and shown. Here the club chooses to only permit the showing of the solid color dogs. Breed clubs in the US get to set the breed standard of excellence.
Responsible Boxer breeders may normally just put down the white Boxers that occur in litters. This is because these dogs may have serious medical issues including but not limited to deafness. While some deaf dogs luck out and get fabulous owners too many don't and culling of pups with this problem is not uncommon in the breeds where it happens. For those of you who think this is wrong please reflect on the number of healthy dogs in shelters that need homes and consider that the breeders who remove handicapped dogs from the gene pool and the pet market are not being bad but merely being proactive in protecting the breed.

sixjollydogs napisał(a):

Someone had a post elsewhere about what colors/dog coats pits and mastiffs have so I though that might make an interesting topic. Here is what I understand:

1. I read on a rottie site that red rotties should be avoided as the color does not meet the standard and is a sign of in-breeding. There are long-haired rotties...but not desirable either.

2. Parti-colored poodles can't be registered.

3. White GSD's and boxers can't be registered either.

[Guest Anonymous]

I see that many of you are referring to problems, such as blindness, due to lack of color? Is that true? My pit is almost entirely white and she has never had any problems. She has allegies to some soap products and a sensitivity to any dog products, such as shampoo and the such. Other than that, she's been healthy and active. And as to showing white animals, I think that all animals are beautiful and are not suppose to exactly the same.

[sixjollydogs]

As I understand it, the main issue with white animals is a greater susceptability to skin cancer. (and perhaps deafness???)

[Guest Anonymous]

Six JollyDogs you are probably right about the skin cancer. I actually monitor how my sun Beta gets and I put sunblock on areas that are more exposed, like her nose and belly. I figure that it help people so dogs can not be that different...right!

[sixjollydogs]

The German Shepherd Dog varies in color, and most colors are permissible. Strong rich colors are preferred. Pale, washed-out colors and blues or livers are serious faults. A white dog must be disqualified.

I need some help from CarolsK(s...I copied the above from the AKC book.

As I understand you, you can register the dog...but not show it in conformation. Why is that?

[Carolk9s]

Replying to SixJollyDogs question about white GSD's and conformation. Perhaps saying you 'cannot' show in conformation was the wrong choice of words. I suppose one could enter the dog, but it will be disqualified automatically, no chance at all of winning any placement. The dog could be otherwise an absolutely breathtaking example for form and structure but due to the white coat, you're outta there. You can register a white GSD if it's from registered parents, you can show the dog in obedience, agility, tracking etc. You can earn titles in these fields.
One of my dogs is a Belgian Sheepdog, they are always to be black with MINOR white on chest and perhaps toes. If two registered black Belgian Sheepdogs produce any puppies that are Tervuren colored or any other coloring, the pups are still registered (in the U.S. AKC) as Belgian Sheepdogs but are of a disqualifying color. They can still compete and win in AKC obedience, agility, tracking, herding, etc. It would be pointless to enter them in a conformation class as they would be disqualified.
Other registeries such as UKC and outside of the U.S. would allow these dogs to compete in conformation as they consider all Belgian Shepherd dogs to be one breed, 4 varieties. The AKC registers them as separate breeds and only recognizes 3 right now, the Sheepdog, the Tervuren, and the Malinios. Other registeries all recognize the Laekenois.
Sorry the long answer but I hope this explains my previous post better.

[Carolk9s]

Sorry, fingers got ahead of brain, this line: Other registeries all recognize the Laekenois.

Should say: 'Other registeries ALSO not ALL', not sure if Laekens are recognized worldwide.

[Shannon_C]

Mine is the same as K. My Bullmastiff is red/fawn...(but this does not mean he is 2 colours, it just means that his colour is light instead of being a solid red.....which is quite rare in the breed today), he had some black that went half way down his tail that formed a ring, and white tips on his toes....the breeder was very honest and said that he might or might not be good for showing, depending on whether the black would fade in time, (which i can say it did even though we just wanted a pet, not a show one) and with this he was also sold at 1/2 price...which as K knows is a true and honest breeder.
All i can say is that both K and myself were very lucky to have found such honest breeders, many others are not so lucky!

[Guest Anonymous]

sixjollydogs napisał(a):

The German Shepherd Dog varies in color, and most colors are permissible. Strong rich colors are preferred. Pale, washed-out colors and blues or livers are serious faults. A white dog must be disqualified.

I need some help from CarolsK(s...I copied the above from the AKC book.

As I understand you, you can register the dog...but not show it in conformation. Why is that?

The idea behind conformation showing is that you are choosing the best dogs to be bred to make the future generations - naturally dogs with a major fault would be a poor choice to be showing in such competition.
Now I cannot say the basis for conformation showing is always the way the breed ring works but it is how its supposed to be :-)

[Guest Anonymous]

this is not true. they can not be registered with certain kennel clubs

[Guest Anonymous]

there are many disqualifications including coated shepards(i have one.) All these dogs can compete in anything accept conformation. I compete with mine in junior showmanship.

[Guest Anonymous]

puppies411 napisał(a):

this is not true. they can not be registered with certain kennel clubs

but it was AKC that was being discussed not any other club