ear cropping of pitbulls

[Guest Anonymous]

ei der, i kinda have a dilemna right now...i own three pitbulls one is a 1 and a half year old red nose (britney), and two 3 month old pups(Aaliyah and Jigger)...
is it really necessary to crop their ears?ive seen a lot of pitbulls that had their ears cropped...wouldnt this affect their hearing?is it really better for pitbulls to have their ears cropped?

[Guest Anonymous]

no its basicly up to u. Its not necessary its just for cosmetic purposes. Either you do or you dont. Doesnt affect them in any way. Maybe just a little disconfort while they heal.

[Guest Anonymous]

http://www.geocities.com/pit_syrus

here you can see my pitbulls some cropped others not. Puppies we are keeping we plan on getting theirs done. Just didnt do it for the bitch.

[Guest Anonymous]

Actually, it's more than a little discomfort. It's very painful. Even with the best veterinary care, it hurts. It's strictly cosmetic and I see no reason to crop ears on any dog that is intended to be solely a pet. I would not subject any family member of mine to that kind of needless pain just for looks.

[Guest Anonymous]

well see i like body peircings and i have them. It hurts me but i like the look. So the outcome after the pain, i have what i think looks good and like.

[Guest Anonymous]

The only reason to crop ears is for cosmetic purposes. They look tougher with em clipped. I have been seeing more natural eared pits winning dog shows.

[Guest Anonymous]

On 2002-04-30 07:31, Anonymous wrote:
The only reason to crop ears is for cosmetic purposes. They look tougher with em clipped. I have been seeing more natural eared pits winning dog shows.

Ears are cropped on fighting dogs to reduce damage when in a fight, ears are easy to grab and bleed heavily when damaged. My understanding is real pitbull loving people do not crop their dogs.
Cropping is no big deal as some think it is - the dogs are not concious when its done anymore than when they are spayed or neutered. Proper after care means minimal pain (if any) and so far in 30 years I've not see any problems come from the procedure if the dog is properly cared for.
However pups normally are cropped at 6-12 weeks (responsible breeders do it BEFORE the pups leave home and make sure ears are healed and standing) so these are just past the time when its worth bothering to do it at all.
Drop ear dogs need better attention to ear cleaning so thats a procedure worth learning for the owner of these pups.

[Guest Anonymous]

ei thanks for the input...i guess i would go for the umcropped ears...i think its better for the dogs...God wouldnt have created them in such a way if it didnt have a purpose at all...
anyway with pitfighting, ive seen pitbulls whose ears werent cropped win over those who are cropped...ironically the uncropped one got a hold of the other ones ear (the base of it)..and it didnt let go of it up to the end of the fight...now thats what you call locked jaws...

[Guest Anonymous]

On 2002-04-30 11:58, Anonymous wrote:
Ears are cropped on fighting dogs to reduce damage when in a fight, ears are easy to grab and bleed heavily when damaged. My understanding is real pitbull loving people do not crop their dogs.

Sorry but that is incorrect. Most dogmen who use their dogs for fighting do not crop the ears. A dogman would rather have the other dog ride his ear than his nose. IT IS PURELY COSMETIC.

[Guest Anonymous]

hmmmmmm...think what you have said that is of the most interest is your discussion of observations of dog fights...hopefully as an undercover investigator to shut these cruel abominations down.

[Guest Anonymous]

On 2002-05-02 06:15, sashagirl wrote:

Out of curiosity. Where did you get this information? I have read a lot of books on pitbulls and everyone of them said that is how earcropping originated. So I am just wondering if you read that in a book, or if you know from experience.

I know several dogmen.

[Guest Anonymous]

On 2002-05-02 07:11, Anonymous wrote:
hmmmmmm...think what you have said that is of the most interest is your discussion of observations of dog fights...hopefully as an undercover investigator to shut these cruel abominations down.

can you try writing this again...i dunno if you really dont know how to speak the language or its just that you were i such a hurry to type...i was just curious on what you really meant...

[Guest Anonymous]

I have always thought it remarkable that we criticize dogs for being ill-tempered or surly....and yet exhibit the same behaviors ourself.

If I was not clear, then I will be happy to restate what I said....but am not motivated to do so by arrogance on the part of the one doing the asking.

The statement was made
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anyway with pitfighting, ive seen pitbulls whose ears werent cropped win over those who are cropped..."

Let me make my point more clearly...WHY.....are or were you in a postion to observe dog fights?

Dog fighting is not legal in most areas...and is not something a responsible and caring dog lover would be part of.

[Guest Anonymous]

On 2002-05-02 08:23, Anonymous wrote:
I have always thought it remarkable that we criticize dogs for being ill-tempered or surly....and yet exhibit the same behaviors ourself.

If I was not clear, then I will be happy to restate what I said....but am not motivated to do so by arrogance on the part of the one doing the asking.

The statement was made
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anyway with pitfighting, ive seen pitbulls whose ears werent cropped win over those who are cropped..."

Let me make my point more clearly...WHY.....are or were you in a postion to observe dog fights?

Dog fighting is not legal in most areas...and is not something a responsible and caring dog lover would be part of.

first and foremost i agree with you on that issue about being a responsible dogowner...and being in the position of observing or rather being able to see such a brutal thing, has got nothing to do with me being a responsible dog owner...and who said i was part of it?havent you heard about videocams?you dont have to be there to see them fight you know...i am against dogfighting therefore i need to know what i am against at...and so i researched about it...unlike some people, who uses their mouths and not their heads, i would like to know first what im fighting for...
and may i remind you, that statement was made for the person who said that ear cropping are done by those who dogfight...i only threw out something that i was able to observed...

[Guest Anonymous]

ok....and thanks for the clarification....still think you might try a bit more diplomatic approach.

[Guest Anonymous]

I do not wish to repeat my earlier mistake and jump to a conclusion...but I too wonder...are some of you condoning or practicing dog fighting?

If so, could you tell us why yu feel this is ok?

[Guest Anonymous]

I totally disagree with cropping the ears of pit bulls. As "Anonymous" points out:

On 2002-04-30 07:31, Anonymous wrote:
The only reason to crop ears is for cosmetic purposes. They look tougher with em clipped. I have been seeing more natural eared pits winning dog shows.

Cropping IS purely cosmetic. It is a selfish act on the part of the owner to make the dog "look tougher".

Considering the extremely bad rap that pit bulls already get - why would you purposefully make your pit bull look more aggressive? Pit bulls are killed and banned simply because they look mean and scary. Why would you want to make them look even more so? It doesn't benefit the dog or the breed in any way.

I personally have two dogs - one cropped by her previous owner and one that we chose not to crop. The cropped dog is avoided like the plague by strangers, and I'm constantly told by "knowing" strangers that she is vicious (when she is the most friendly dog ever). Meanwhile our monsterous, unruly, uncropped dog is always petted and loved on by everyone. Most of them don't even know he's a pit bull. The difference is in the ears.

People who care about the breed realize this problem. I like the cropped ear look personally, but it's a social death sentence for the dog, and I'd never intentionally do that to my beloved pups.

[Guest Anonymous]

On 2002-05-02 09:40, sashagirl wrote:

On 2002-05-02 07:39, Anonymous wrote:

On 2002-05-02 06:15, sashagirl wrote:

Out of curiosity. Where did you get this information? I have read a lot of books on pitbulls and everyone of them said that is how earcropping originated. So I am just wondering if you read that in a book, or if you know from experience.

I know several dogmen.

So you condone pit fights???

If done correctly its not cruel. I dont agree with the backyard fighters who throw their dogs together and let them kill each other. When the rule are followed the dogs go pound for pound and their owner is in the pit with them. Its not true that they fight to the death. Pure BS from the media. Also, the medical attention they receive after the match is purely unbeatable. I know what these dogs have been bred for and its what most of them love to do. Their tails go a hundred miles per hour. They love it. Why should we stop them from doing what they are bred to do and what they love to do? Because you dont agree with it? What about boxing? Two people going at it for 9 rounds?

[Guest Anonymous]

for the last anonymous replier...:smile: i admire you for your courage in defending your side...i hope you understand where we are coming from, we dont like to promote pitfighting(this goes for me and some people i know), actually we try to persuade pitowners from doing it specifically because at the end of the day, the breed gets the rap and not us breeders...get it?i know that medical specialists are always at pitfights, but thats not the point, the point is, because of these acts more and more people are getting convinced that pitbulls are vicious animals and that they are not safe around people especially children...end result, they are banned from some countries, most of them put to sleep...
and please dont compare them from boxing, boxing is a legal sport, and so is cockfighting(in some countries they are)...so if you dogmen are really persistent on your so-called hobbies or whatever you call them, then go to your nearest legislative branch of your government and lobby for its legality...until then, please dont give pitbulls a bad reputation...you owe it to your dogs...

[Guest Anonymous]

I dont think its the dogmen giving pits a bad name. Its the people who buy this breed because they are tough/ cool then let them run around killing other dogs. People that dont know what this breed is capable of are buying them and trying to train them to protect. Everyone wants to say a pit thats been in a fight needs to be put down and they can no longer be around people... Pure BS. Most, I wont say all cause you never can, dogmen are VERY responsible with their dogs. More so than the next person.

[Guest Anonymous]

On 2002-05-04 19:31, Anonymous wrote:
I dont think its the dogmen giving pits a bad name. Its the people who buy this breed because they are tough/ cool then let them run around killing other dogs. People that dont know what this breed is capable of are buying them and trying to train them to protect. Everyone wants to say a pit thats been in a fight needs to be put down and they can no longer be around people... Pure BS. Most, I wont say all cause you never can, dogmen are VERY responsible with their dogs. More so than the next person.

ow yeah, i missed that one...yeah your right those people who owns pits but are not responsible enough to leash them at least...
but it puzzles me though...why is it that when rotts, dobers, and other breeds get to kill children, or are reported to have killed other dogs...why ow why pray do tell, why dont they get that much media hype?you know why?cause they are not being used for pitfighting thats why(please dont jump on me yet, this is just a theory of mine...so hold you horses there)...if pitbulls werent used for pitfighting, i dont think they would be in such a bad situation right now...dont you agree?i cant blame people nowadays who thinks pits are so vicious and dangerous...
let me give you a nice comparison...if a normal citizen get into a fight and kills someone, he may plead not guilty due to self defense...but if it were a marine or a professional boxer for that matter, theres no way for them to plead self defense...so now, i think society is applying the same understanding on pits...
pitbulls=pitfighting=dangerous=fear them
its as simple as that...

[Guest Anonymous]

Not all states carry the self-defense law.

Pit fighting was legal, actually, not all that many years ago. And is not a felony in all states but a misdemeanor in some- only beacause the people making the laws do it themselves. The human society gave so much sh!t to the government they made it illegal. They had to so the human societ people would shut the hell up. Just like they are trying to ban certain breeds. It all goes back to people thinking they know what they know nothing about.
People only read what they want to read. You know police trained German Shephards are now the top people biter? Even biting the policemen! Did you ever read that story or just the ones stating a pit bull attacked someone. That is why people think so bad of APBTs. The media will say a pit did the biting regardless if they know if it was a pit or not. If they only let licensed dogmen own APBTs I think the opinions would change.

[Guest Anonymous]

On 2002-05-06 05:23, sashagirl wrote:


I have never heard so much crap in my life. Boxers choose to do this. Pit Bulls do not. Do you get your Jollys off when your dog wins the fight? How about when there face is bleeding and scarred. Do you enjoy that too? When you put more than one pit bull together they do not always fight. If you do not raise them to be aggressive to other dogs they will not be. So therefore it is NOT a natural behavior. Sure they will get into scuffles every now and then when they are playing and one feels they need to show dominance, but that is why the RESPONSIBLE DOG owner is there to seperate them. Normally all they have to do is raise there voice when the dogs are properly trained and the dogs will break it up. I have seen my pits having a great time wagging their tails like crazy just playing tug together and chasing each other for the toy. They do not need to try and kill each other to be happy. People like you are the reason that my sweet natured pit bull gets walked down the sidewalk and people flinch at the sight of her. I feel sorry for you, for not understanding what great dogs they can be. Of course they are happy to fight. Pit Bulls want nothing more than to please their owner, and if they know that their owner wants them to fight, they will to try and make them happy.

Pit bulls ARE naturally dog aggressive. You apparently havent been around very many pits.
And yes, the dogs do get the option to fight or not. You cannot force them to fight. They will do it if they want to.
I do understand what great dogs they can be. I have been dealing with these dogs my entire life. Im sure more so than you have.
Its not people like me that give pits a bad name. Its the people that buy them and dont realize these dogs are naturally dog aggressive and let them run around.
That crap about yelling at your APBT and him releasing the other dog is pure BS. You are talking about something you know nothing about. How many pits have you owned and how old? Owning a pit does not make you an expert. Do some research on the breed.
As for not being a responsible owner... how would you know. None of my dogs have EVER bitten anyone and I do not let them run around free. I guarantee my dogs are treated and fed better than yours are or ever will be.
Are your dogs papered? Do you know their bloodlines? Ithink Id like to know that more than anything.

REMEMBER: OWNING AN APBT DOES NOT MAKE YOU AN EXPERT!!

[Guest Anonymous]

well with due respect to you...i dont think anybody here has claimed expertise on the breed...the poin that we are just trying to empasize on is not more on the abuse on the dogs...i think its more on the dog's reputation nowadays in the public...more and more pits are being put to sleep or being banned from the streets...were just trying to find a way maybe on how we would be able to educate the public that these animals are not vicious as they have been reported to be...please understand we all love our dogs...its just that we have different ways on how to express this love for the breed...
so i think maybe since there would be no end to this debate...i think the best way is just for you guys to love your dogs the way you want to and we'll love 'em the way we want to...then whatever happens after that, let us not put the blame to anybody else but to ourselves...

[Guest Anonymous]

This is addressed to the "responsible" dog fighter. Have you ever heard the term oxy-moron?

Yeah, you may take good care of your dogs...but that does not make what you do either legal or ethical. Allowing two dogs to fight is sick. It also adds to the bad reputation of this breed. If you are so keen on fighting...why don't you strap on some gloves and do it yourself?

Why don't you tell us also about just how dogs are trained to fight?